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Old 12-20-2018, 06:57 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
I am laughing because what real estate developers do who are not in high office has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. Are you a member of Congress or the CIA while actively pursuing your real estate deals in Moscow or Iran or North Korea? Do you constantly lie to the American people about your real estate deals? And how could a building which hasn't even been constructed yet have "building code deficiencies"?

You are trying to argue that Trump is no different than a housing developer in Anytown, USA. Get real. There's no comparison between you and Trump and his shady business deals with the leaders of countries long inimical to the United States.
Actually, what real estate developers do who are in high office is exactly the same. There are numerous contractual escape clauses.
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Old 12-20-2018, 07:20 AM
 
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Deals that are almost finished aren't finished deals; many letters of intent end up in the trash can. Per CNN:

"Cohen pulled out of the arrangement three months later as the project failed to get off the ground."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/polit...cow/index.html

If CNN is right, the project was dead by February 2016, months before the campaign began.
I never said it was a done deal. I said almost done.

That doesn't negate that Trump was not upfront with the American voter. Or that his hand picked PR person
and/or lawyer is lying now.

Trump could have revealed his relationship regarding the negotiation. Why didn't he?
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Old 12-20-2018, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Nice, France
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was Trump dealing with the private sector in Russia or directly with the Russian government?........there are 3,000 U.S. Companies in Russia right now. Are they breaking the law or colluding with the Russian government?


Seems to me that letter from CNN dated October 28, 2015. The non-binding document is also signed by Andrey Rozov, owner of I.C. Expert Investment Co., the Russian firm that would have been responsible for developing the property.


So what's the crime here?


There are almost 3,000 American companies in Russia, and the U.S. is also the leader in terms of foreign companies in Special Economic Zones, with 11 projects.
  1. 3M
  2. Abbott Laboratories
  3. AbbVie
  4. AECOM
  5. Air Products
  6. Albermarle Chemicals Representative Office
  7. Alcoa SMZ (Alcoa Russia)
  8. American Express Russia & CIS
  9. AmeRussia St.Petersburg, Russia
  10. Amrustrans
  11. Amsted Rail Company
  12. Amway Russia
  13. Apple
  14. Armstrong World Industries
  15. Autodesk
  16. Avis Russia
  17. Avon Beauty Products Company
  18. Black & Decker, Moscow Representative Office
  19. Boeing Russia
  20. Bristol-Myers Squibb
  21. Brown-Forman Russia
  22. Burger King
  23. Cameron
  24. Cargill
  25. Caterpillar Eurasia
  26. Caterpillar Tosno
  27. Celgene Corporation
  28. Chevron
  29. Cisco Systems
  30. Citi Russia
  31. Citibank, Saint-Petersburg Branch
  32. Coca-Cola System in Russia
  33. Colgate-Palmolive
  34. Compressor Controls Corporation
  35. CononoPhillips Russia
  36. Corning SNG
  37. Crate & Barrel
  38. Cummins Incorporated
  39. Dell
  40. Delta Air Lines
  41. Dolby
  42. Dow Europe
  43. DuPont Science and Technologies
  44. Eaton
  45. Ecolab
  46. ExxonMobil
  47. Fluor Entrprises Group
  48. Ford Sollers Holding
  49. Forever 21
  50. General Electric
  51. General Motors Russia & cIS
  52. Genesys Telecommunications Laboratories
  53. Goldman Sachs
  54. Google
  55. Halliburton
  56. Herbalife International RS
  57. Hewlett Packard Enterprise
  58. Hilton Russia
  59. Honeywell
  60. Huntsman CIS
  61. IBM East Europe/Asia (NW Region Branch)
  62. IBM East Europe/Asia
  63. Intel
  64. International Paper Russia, Moscow Branch
  65. John Deere Rus
  66. Johnson & Johnson
  67. Johnson Controls International
  68. JP Morgan
  69. KBR East
  70. Kellogg Rus
  71. KFC
  72. Kimberly-Clark
  73. Kinross Gold Corporation, Moscow Representative Office
  74. Krispy Kreme
  75. Levi Strauss Moscow
  76. Lexmark International
  77. Liberty Insurance
  78. Lilly Pharma
  79. Mars Inc.
  80. Mary Kay
  81. MasterCard International
  82. McDonald’s Russia
  83. Medtronic
  84. Metlife
  85. Microsoft RUS
  86. Mondelez International
  87. Morgan Stanley
  88. Motorola Solutions
  89. Motorola Solutions, St. Petersburg Software Design Center
  90. MSD Pharmaceuticals
  91. NBCUniversal
  92. Nike
  93. NVIDIA
  94. OCV Steklovolokno (Owens Corning)
  95. Oracle Development SPB
  96. OTIS Lift
  97. PepsiCo
  98. Pfizer
  99. Philip Morris Izhora
  100. Philip Morris Sales & Marketing
  101. Procter & Gamble
  102. Qualcomm Europe, Russia Branch Office
  103. RAND Corporation
  104. SC Johnson
  105. Sealed Air
  106. Sherwin-Williams
  107. Software Technologies
  108. Standard & Poor’s Credit Market Services Europe Limited
  109. Starbucks
  110. Subway Russia
  111. Tenneco Automotive Volga
  112. The Estee Lauder Companies
  113. The Walt Disney Company, CIS
  114. Thermo Fisher Scientific
  115. Timken-Rus Service Company
  116. United Technologies International Operations
  117. United Way of Russia
  118. Visa
  119. Walt Disney Studios Sony Pictures Releasing
  120. Western Union
  121. Wrigley, A subsidiary of Mars, Incorporated-St. Petersburg Branch
  122. Xerox
  123. YRIR (YUM! Restaurants International Russia and CIS)


Is Mueller investigating all of those companies for "colluding" with the Russian government? This all Russia hysteria is a big joke and historians will look back and just laugh.

Wow.

Willing to send your country to the sewers.

Yes, you're a patriot.
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Old 12-20-2018, 12:06 PM
 
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May 11, 2018, Trump didn't have business dealings in Russia.

trump was listing his previous involvement with russia/russians ( and failed to mention the moscow tower ).
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Old 12-20-2018, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Nice, France
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First off:


"Rudy Giuliani indicated Sunday that President Trump's former longtime attorney, Michael Cohen, may have pursued discussions about a possible Trump Tower Moscow development up to November 2016."

2nd, do you think Giuliani has his mental faculties intact ? I don't, and can easily picture him saying November 2016 instead of 2015.

According to CNN, Cohen pulled out of the negotiations in January 2016, three months after the letter of intent was signed.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/polit...cow/index.html

If CNN has it right, Trump didn't lie during the campaign about not having business interests in Russia.
You trully don't want to see, do you?

I can't offer you glasses nor a critical mind, sorry.

Keep posting. Merci.
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Good grief.

Does Trump ever tell the truth about anything?
out of the last 5 presidents, tell me one that didn't lie


bush1 lied, Clinton lied, bush2 lied, Obama lied, trump lies...nothing new here
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Old 12-20-2018, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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out of the last 5 presidents, tell me one that didn't lie


bush1 lied, Clinton lied, bush2 lied, Obama lied, trump lies...nothing new here
You're seriously comparing apples to oranges(or an orange one).

All politicians lie, it's a given.

Trump, practically everything he says is a lie. He lies, like others simply converse. Big difference.
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Old 12-20-2018, 02:21 PM
 
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All politicians lie, it's a given.

Trump, practically everything he says is a lie. He lies, like others simply converse. Big difference.

yep. it's like trying to excuse someone doing 125mph in a school zone because the last 4 cars were doing 30.
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