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Old 12-19-2018, 06:52 AM
 
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Donald Trump said 31 times during the campaign trail "I had nothing to do with Russia" or "I have no business with Russia."

Yet we found out last night that Trump actually signed the NTP on a Trump Tower Moscow, and was planning on "gifting" Vlad Putin a $50,000,000 penthouse suite.

Lies, lies, lies.


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Old 12-19-2018, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So, the letter of intent was signed October 28, 2015. Trump continued to speak well, or not ill, of Russia thereafter, including during the Republican National Convention, when the platform was changed to soften the official stance concerning Russia and the Ukraine. Of course, we also have Flynn lying about contacts with Russia concerning the lifting of sanctions should Mr. Trump be elected, etc.



I tend to believe the theory that Mr. Trump did not expect to win, and so he saw no reason to not pursue business activity in Russia. However, such does not explain his many statements claiming to have no interest in Russia, which statements have been steadily modified as new evidence comes out.



I can understand his reluctance: a person running for the Republican nomination should not brag about how they are seeking to do business with Russia while running. In the old days, that would have doomed any chance to win the nomination (can you imagine if Reagan had said, in 1980, that he was trying to make business deals with Russia?).
He should have been open and above board. His supporters here don't seem to mind a bit. Makes me wonder sometimes whether some of them may be Russian themselves.

The legitimacy of the business venture was never a consideration, just like having an affair with an intern.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Which is why I laughed at Obama supporters just a few years ago on here always ignoring or excusing a constant stream of lies and misinformation and said Obama supporters will be hypocrites when the shoe is on the other foot - I didn't think it would be this bad though.
Whataboutism?

This thread is about Trump.

It would have been unreasonable to expect Trump Org to divest itself of pending business transactions during the campaign, given the then uncertain outcome of the election.

The ethical thing to do was disclose, upfront. Instead, Trump chose to lie and Giuliani lied or was misinformed by his boss.

Oh I forgot.. Giuliani said “lies don’t matter unless under oath”.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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So, the letter of intent was signed October 28, 2015. Trump continued to speak well, or not ill, of Russia thereafter, including during the Republican National Convention, when the platform was changed to soften the official stance concerning Russia and the Ukraine. Of course, we also have Flynn lying about contacts with Russia concerning the lifting of sanctions should Mr. Trump be elected, etc.



I tend to believe the theory that Mr. Trump did not expect to win, and so he saw no reason to not pursue business activity in Russia. However, such does not explain his many statements claiming to have no interest in Russia, which statements have been steadily modified as new evidence comes out.



I can understand his reluctance: a person running for the Republican nomination should not brag about how they are seeking to do business with Russia while running. In the old days, that would have doomed any chance to win the nomination (can you imagine if Reagan had said, in 1980, that he was trying to make business deals with Russia?).
I used to secretly hope that Trump was actually doing everything he could on the campaign trail to not get elected, but he underestimated the spitefulness the GOP base.

He had all kinds of plans for after the election, but bad GOP voters ruined that for him...
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:01 AM
 
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During the campaign Donnie Divot claimed he had no business interests in Russia, didn't know any Russians, and didn't even like Russian dressing on his salads, et cetera. In the meantime, Donnie Diaper and Eric the Slow were all over the news saying that Russia accounted for a huge portion of their income.

Then came Comey and Flynn and Mueller (Oh My!), and all of a sudden it came out that there was a proposed tower and Putin was going to receive a $50 million penthouse as a gift for allowing it to be built.
Don't know, don't care.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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People still don't get it that Trump is a business man first and not a politician.

When he was campaigning everyone from the Dems to the GOP to Obama himself telling us that Trump will never be President and poll after poll showed that if he became the nominee he was going to lose in a landslide but never the less he persisted...

Given all that why would Trump close up shop and quit his day job?



Trump is a business man first but he is certainly quickly learning the ways of politicians because all of them lie in one way or another. The thing is Trump's lies cause more outrage than any of the whoppers that Obama told ?
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Don't know, don't care.
Ah, ignorance and apathy. What a combo.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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so what, he was a private citizen at the time.. Obama was so inadequate of course people will bring him up
A private citizen who lied about having no ties to Russia.

No reasonable person would expect a nominee to divest themselves of pending business transactions, given uncertain outcomes of elections.

The ethical thing to do was disclose. Instead, Trump chose to lie.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Ah, ignorance and apathy. What a combo.
It's the proper combo for things that are of no importance.
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Old 12-19-2018, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Why is it not a crime for the Hilton family to build Hotels in Russia? Since when has it become a crime to do business in other countries? Man you people have gone off the deep edge. The obsession with Russia is truly a derangement. Seek help immediately and stop checking for Russians under your bed. They're not bad people. China is more of a threat......geeesh
Did the CEO of Hilton run for President?

Did the CEO of Hilton lie about not having any business in/ with Russia instead of disclosing the letter of intent?

It’s not about the intent to financially benefit from a property in Russia. It’s lying about it.

Ethics 101- when in doubt, disclose, disclose, disclose.
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