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Old 12-23-2018, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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And thus the reasoning that led to the election of Donald Trump...
Indifferent to those who are impacted from small to major by government shutdown--
Imperverous to the idea that this is a negative for the entire economy because they aren't harmed...
That lack of empathy and analysis will prove to be the downfall of the GOP, hopefully sooner rather than later...
A good description of this whole debacle, in a nutshell. It's obvious that those who don't care that the government is shut down, are those who don't care about anyone outside their own narrow circles.

 
Old 12-23-2018, 04:18 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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But unlike Obama, the gates won't be locked. Just the facilities and no amenities. And there damn sure isn't going to be a fence around the national mall in DC, to keep people out.
There should be. Who do you think cleans up after people use these parks? The museum's and science centers, the bathrooms, the parking areas, trails. Who is going to clear the roads or remove a Tree that falls. I know it will not be you.


Those things taken care that make the parks and monuments places worth going to.


All those around the parks who make a living. Those small business owners that the GOP claims they are there for them. Those sub contractors who are the only job provider for hundreds of miles.

No you will see small business hurt all around Christmas.

All because of the Trump Shut Down.
 
Old 12-23-2018, 06:07 AM
 
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Have Republicans chartered buses yet for those vets in wheelchairs to visit the WWII memorial?
 
Old 12-23-2018, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Boston
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lmao....listen to all the tears and concern from Hillary supporters ...lol ....

guilt she and her sidekick Obama left those poor troops in foreign lands with no plans to bring them home?
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:00 AM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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What I do see happening is that Trump will sign a clean CR and then start to deal with Pelosi to resurrect the DACA/Border Security deal he walked away from last year. With the House republicans "freedom caucus" no longer relevant, it could actually pass now....
I think this is what may happen, too.

Trump's base is shrinking; therefore, he may try harder to do deals in his next two years.
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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So if it goes on for a long time, as you wish, how would you handle the 42,000 members of the US Coast Guard, who would be working without pay? But then again, I guess it doesn't impact you directly, so it is of no matter to you. Maybe they could just shut down search and rescue, drug interdiction, port security, etc until they get paid or go find other jobs? Oh yeah, they also provide security for Trump when he visits Mar-a-Lago.
During the last "long" government shutdown in 2013, after about a week into it when it looked like it would last for a while, congress signed a bipartisan bill to continue paying all military during the shutdown (rather than back pay).
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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A good description of this whole debacle, in a nutshell. It's obvious that those who don't care that the government is shut down, are those who don't care about anyone outside their own narrow circles.

But based on my exposure to people with that mentality--
They are often the ones who don't mind taking advantage of government services because "they pay taxes"
They think they should go to the front of the line when they need something--

We have longtime friends who are definitely alt-right conservatives, (racists too)--but guy grew up with my husband, spent lot of time with them when we were first married and politics were not as confrontational as now...
They have two sons--one went back to finish his college degree after he served short term in military (no front line duty) and had married a woman with two children from prior relationship
He went to TX A&M, his dad's school, and they were strappe for money---
They went on food stamps...and that was totally OK with his dad and his mom although they have always complained about AA's and Hispanics (actually they used racial epithets) taking advantage of government programs...
But it was OK for their son--and from what they said and what I know since I was a TX HHS employee who worked in the FS/AFDC program--I know the guy was concealing the fact his mom and dad were sending them money every month...
So they were cheating the system as badly as any minority user might--but that was OK in their eyes...

It is always a double standard...
Dems are much more likely to call out their own for legal/ethical violations
Not so the GOP
Double standard seems to be their modus operandi...
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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People dance around the truth, the very truth they can't face nor digest... so... any spin suffices... This has been a historical cycles of avoiding the truth to dine upon delusions. The truth has been evident for centuries and for centuries these same mindset have chosen to do anything and everything to avoid the truth for the sake of their lust for Vanity... Amassing themselves as the make up of the Right Wing Confederacy Mentality within the framework of the Republican Party.

Yet, they make claim to be religious, yet void out the principles of God's Teachings, and seek to usurp it with fictions and self delusions made up of vain consumption's and material obsessions until they measure themselves and others by material matter and money as if to be nothing more than to be driven by soul-less savagery.

They forsake their own redemption by their adherence to not just the flair of vanity, but cleaving themselves unto the vile that vanity promotes.

They rally and praise a "Government Shut Down" with no concern for the lives, nor the waste of resources, the assault upon Democracy's Governance and the despair their act's promotes. They do so, for the sake of worshiping the want to have someone to look down upon....and wrap themselves in a desire for the segregation, as if they think it will make them more vain as they lust to covet whatever they can by any means they can... until they lack the basic decency of respecting the humanity of others.

There is no peace when such types persist.... the savagery they live in lust of, is the make up of the savage character they have willfully chosen to be devoted unto.

No information and no knowledge will they embrace, and certainly none will they seek to understand, because the savagery of vanity consumes them into the worships of material and money self measure.

They may read words, but understand nothing of the meaning if it does not endorse the vain savagery they have built their lives upon.

The Bible has long stated:
Proverbs 23:9
"Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of your words."

Thus so, those who embrace the dignity of Democracy's Principles will understand the words, and need not get lost in the spin of the foolishness.

These words mean so little to the vain, the haughty and the lustful...

Jeremiah 22:3
This is what the LORD says: Administer justice and righteousness. Rescue the victim of robbery from the hand of his oppressor. Do no wrong or violence to the foreigner, the fatherless, or the widow. Do not shed innocent blood in this place.

None who claim to be truly of Gods Graceful Embrace... would not understand the words of wisdom the bible has put forth over many generations.

Yet, some have become and continue to be the seekers of contorting the words and perverting the meaning of All the wisdom's the Bible has brought to mankind, all for the sake of tying to justify their lustful, greed and vain and vile minds.

Those who attack the Governance... of the United States of America.... Have NO RESPECT for what Democracy promotes and the principles of what Democracy has built.

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The essence of the Overthrow Project is familiar: to reduce taxes on the very rich, free the business community from taxes and regulations that interfere with its money-making, and subsidize that community with public funds. In addition, the Overthrow Project aims to privatize as many governmental activities as possible. Left for government is the maintenance of the remaining public infrastructure that enables private enterprise to operate efficiently and safely, as well as the assurance of public safety through ever-higher funding of the military, the homeland-security apparatus, the police, and other forces of so call law and order.
(The Law and Order based upon the Ideals of Plutocrats) liken unto the Oligarchs..... as in trying and make America into a Model of Russia.


Subversive Acts that become an Internally Generated Treasonous Engagement.... Threatens All of America.

The Government Shut Down, represents The Height of Disrespect to , for and of the Very Government that has Built Up America.

Last edited by Chance and Change; 12-23-2018 at 08:27 AM..
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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It isn't a real shutdown until Congress stops getting a pay check.
Why should those who do their jobs not be paid when Congress members keep getting paid for failing to do their job?

Our government has too much power. It was never meant to be this way. Only We the People can change that... but we have to stop fighting among ourselves first.
 
Old 12-23-2018, 07:51 AM
 
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15 hours in, we are all here, just like any other day, safe and sound.

Nothing will change that, either.

Now we are saving , as we are not paying 420,000 employees today, laid off, whom their employer admits are not essential.
That’s not what essential means. In all likelihood if your job was forced to shutdown and only allow in those so called “essential” employees you wouldn’t be working either.
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