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I just thought that more laws doesn't necessarily mean dictorship. I have a friend who visited Singapore recently, and he said that there, the laws are much more strict, but everyone is much more disciplined as a result, and crime isn't given the freedom to run as wild as a result. But Singapore is not a dictatorship and is actually a very popular resort people like to go to, and still feel safe going there and living there it seems.
I just thought that more laws doesn't necessarily mean dictorship. I have a friend who visited Singapore recently, and he said that there, the laws are much more strict, but everyone is much more disciplined as a result, and crime isn't given the freedom to run as wild as a result. But Singapore is not a dictatorship and is actually a very popular resort people like to go to, and still feel safe going there and living there it seems.
right, strict laws, and everyone is much more disciplined, meaning they are conditioned by the government to be good little citizens and do everything the nice government people tell them to do. this is what happens with every dictatorship. you start with "reasonable" laws to control crime. then teh laws get a little stricter, and then more strict, etc. rights get taken away, government has more and more power in their pocket, and the people kowtow to the government.
so singapore may not be a dictatorship now, but they are on their way to being one in the future.
remember this is a country that punishes minor offenses with caning, we call it beating in this country and people, even law enforcement tend to get arrested for that. judges there can sentence a criminal to being caned, here its cruel and unusual punishment. there if a cop asks for your ID(papers please) you have to give them up, here unless teh cop has a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, they cannot just ask you for your papers when ever they want.
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Yeah I see your point. Can the communications be at least be validated though, or can people sending money to these scam artists at least be validated before going through?
If all jurisdictions must communicate with each other, why do we have to do it blindly, where criminals can take advantage of not being culpable as a result?
There is a system where sellers have earned a good reputation. Therefore you can trust your transaction is the a scam
right, strict laws, and everyone is much more disciplined, meaning they are conditioned by the government to be good little citizens and do everything the nice government people tell them to do. this is what happens with every dictatorship. you start with "reasonable" laws to control crime. then teh laws get a little stricter, and then more strict, etc. rights get taken away, government has more and more power in their pocket, and the people kowtow to the government.
so singapore may not be a dictatorship now, but they are on their way to being one in the future.
remember this is a country that punishes minor offenses with caning, we call it beating in this country and people, even law enforcement tend to get arrested for that. judges there can sentence a criminal to being caned, here its cruel and unusual punishment. there if a cop asks for your ID(papers please) you have to give them up, here unless teh cop has a reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, they cannot just ask you for your papers when ever they want.
Yeah that's true. So why is it that we can't have reasonable laws to control crime, but at the same times till have a cut off to keep it from going further?
Why do we have to have so many freedoms to the point where crime runs more wild than a more stricter country, but at the same time, just be a little more strict, and set a cut off that the government can only go this far to control crime and that's it, no further. Why does it have to be either a country that is so capitalist that criminals are able to slip outside the law very easily, to the point where it's kind embarrassing on the country, or it hast be a complete dictatorship state?
Can't there be some sort of in between that works?
Well I guess I feel maybe only a crazy problem can be solved with a crazy resolution maybe. I'm not saying a totalitarian government or anything, everything would be the same, just a legal rule, and that rule, is not to allow outside unchecked communications with people who are not in your jurisdiction, and therefore can get away with crimes. That's not such a bad rule is it?
I mean the government doesn't hand out get out of jail free cards to it's own citizens, so why do it with foreigners who aren't even in the country?
How do you propose they do this ban? Is there someone in the government reading emails from outside the country to determine if they are friend or foe? Or are you proposing no emails from outside the country are allowed?
But if all my methods are lessening the crimes from happening, are not acceptable, would their be any methods to lessen it that would be?
1. Encourage all countries to prosecute fraudsters. I don't know of any country where fraud is actually legal. Work on developing more and better international cooperation to accomplish this.
2. Continue to educate people about these frauds.
3. In the case of a victim whose competence is questionable (say, the very elderly who may be suffering from cognitive decline), a financial guardianship can be pursued.
The problem with what you are proposing is two-fold: it would represent a massive violation of privacy, which most people would rightfully object to, and it would require enormous resources to carry out (as the VAST majority of international communications and international money transfers are perfectly legitimate; you're looking for needles in a humongous haystack). Who's going to pay for this?
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