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But we must work in that direction while we are still here. That requires a broader push than just for more welfare to help people as welfare just helps legitimize the sources of wealth distribution (private capital).
I understand it’s necessary right now but fighting for worker cooperatives, non-profit Healthcare, less intrusive and more progressive tax laws, limiting consumer mentality, and ending imperial ambitions must be the goal.
Not just protect social security (as that is a temporary band-Aid, not a fix).
You will get no argument here. The thing is, IMO much of this will be done for us when other countries succeed in undercutting the dollar. It's going to happen.
But we must work in that direction while we are still here. That requires a broader push than just for more welfare to help people as welfare just helps legitimize the sources of wealth distribution (private capital)
What of those who don't wish to have their labor taken for the purposes of someone else's "welfare"?
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I understand it’s necessary right now but fighting for worker cooperatives,
what if one doesnt wish to work within a cooperative?
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non-profit Healthcare
what of those who seek to practice healthcare outside of the collective and those who seek services outside of the "non-profit" system?
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less intrusive and more progressive tax laws,
what of those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor and spend them on what they have determined to be their own needs?
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limiting consumer mentality
what of those who have wants and needs outside of a central authority?
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ending imperial ambitions must be the goal.
Okay
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Not just protect social security (as that is a temporary band-Aid, not a fix).
What of those who wish to provide for their own retirement (or not)?
What of those who don't wish to have their labor taken for the purposes of someone else's "welfare"?
what if one doesnt wish to work within a cooperative?
what of those who seek to practice healthcare outside of the collective and those who seek services outside of the "non-profit" system? what of those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor and spend them on what they have determined to be their own needs? what of those who have wants and needs outside of a central authority?
Okay
What of those who wish to provide for their own retirement (or not)?
What of those who don't wish to have their labor taken for the purposes of someone else's "welfare"?
what if one doesnt wish to work within a cooperative?
what of those who seek to practice healthcare outside of the collective and those who seek services outside of the "non-profit" system? what of those who wish to keep the fruits of their labor and spend them on what they have determined to be their own needs? what of those who have wants and needs outside of a central authority?
Okay
What of those who wish to provide for their own retirement (or not)?
1. Providing for yourself is fine. But when people produce more than they can consume/store, that good becomes a public good. Like in my point about tribal societies, private industrial capital has lead to the accumulation of goods beyond ones own capacity through ownership of land and facilities via paperwork backed by the state. You can only claim ownership by that which you operate under, nothing more, nothing less.
2. Practicing healthcare has been a thing for thousands of years since witch doctors, making it a profitable business is new. Doing favors and even trading labor for some good is fine, but monetary payment is used to purchase excess control of goods, lands, and services. If excess control is no longer allowed by the state then money would lose its value. Furthermore communities will be free to organize services for the Mutual benefit of everyone (doctors would provide their services which will help other labor classes in the town to produce more).
3. Cooperatives are just a claim on ownership, all actions on shared means take place with mutual agreement of others involved.
If you wish to work with others, then you must come up with a democratic or consensus based agreement on how the work relationship should work. If you want everyone to follow your orders then you must convince them, not hold your power via threat of state intervention. The owners (workers) are the ones that utilize those means.
And taxes are not a permanent solution as they are used to retain corporate control and organize human life based off of planning, something I don’t support.
There simply isn't a one size fits all, will work no matter what belief. There simply isn't. I've asked many times over how a pure Libertarian society will work and no one, absolutely no one can come anywhere close to providing an answer outside of living like Ted Kaczynski did or going back to something close to the 19th Century. You may like that (you in the big picture) but you don't or you wouldn't be here typing on the internet.
Capitalists love Socialism when it benefits them. Socialists are rarely if ever actually arguing for pure Socialism and Libertarians while absolutely correct on things like war and allowing people many freedoms we try and squash today, can not make their system work in a large society that is not going away.
I don't know why people refuse to accept that no one actually wants what they claim.
I wasn't put on this earth to figure out life for you.
And my "punishment" for not being at your beck & call shouldn't be slavery.
Libertarians are Republicans who want to smoke pot.
huh
I am a constitutionalist conservative, who supports making cannabis, that liberals made illegal in 1937 legal..there are 1001 uses for cannabis other than getting high.
I also want to see the government out of the marriage business, and out of my body, too include my healthcare
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