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Old 12-29-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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The discussion comes in when asked to explain how exactly in a country of 330 million the rest of your beliefs would work and there is no workable answer.
The answer is simple, but you cannot hear it.

There is no country of 330M under libertarian principles.

That is your answer.

That's what you don't understand so ask stupid questions like who will enforce the border which has no real existence. Why the distorted thinking you're applying to libertarians and an-caps is not their distortion but your inability to think outside of the prison bars. It's like trying to describe the color red to a talking dog.
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Old 12-29-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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The answer is simple, but you cannot hear it.

There is no country of 330M under libertarian principles.
It isn't going away.

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That is your answer.

That's what you don't understand so ask stupid questions like who will enforce the border which has no real existence. Why the distorted thinking you're applying to libertarians and an-caps is not their distortion but your inability to think outside of the prison bars. It's like trying to describe the color red to a talking dog.
It's less realistic than Musk's desire to go to Mars. You can *think* whatever you want. In the library it's call the Fiction section.
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Old 12-29-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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Here's some food for thought:

The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise

The residents of Colorado Springs undertook a radical experiment in government. Here’s what they got.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...america-215313

More food for thought:

"libertarian experiments in reality-gone-wrong":
  • Colorado Springs
  • Galt's Gulch
  • Honduras
  • Phoenix Foundation
  • Republic of Minerva
  • Bahamas
  • Vanuatu
  • Silk Road
  • Von Ormy
  • Kowloon Walled City (KWC), a.k.a. The City of Darkness
  • Bitcoinistan
  • Liberland
  • Seasteading
  • The Citadel
  • Free State Project
  • Operation Red Dog
  • ...
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Libertarian_paradise
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Old 12-29-2018, 07:35 AM
 
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Here's some food for thought:

The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise

The residents of Colorado Springs undertook a radical experiment in government. Here’s what they got.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...america-215313

I don't see that article as a fair unbiased look at anything. It is more of an attack on Conservative Corporatism while trying to paint Libertarianism with the same broad brush.

It does one thing though. It shows that people are not going to willingly go backwards. The majority may claim they want less but rebel when they actually get less.

As an aside, I recall when Colorado SPrings was known for it's hippies. What happened?
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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It isn't going away.
That's because your more comfortable with security than freedom. What was the name if that guy who said that thing with those two words in it?

That's the red that I'm describing, you see the country as the government, I see it as 350M individuals shoehorned into a framework. One is top down, the other bottom up. They both cannot coexist in the same geographical location, because either the top down crushes the bottom up, or the bottom up throws off the top down.

Unfortunately up until now every bottom up has corrupted to top down eventually, because...

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It's less realistic than Musk's desire to go to Mars. You can *think* whatever you want. In the library it's call the Fiction section.
It's not fiction, it just takes courage, and principle. Unless you're saying these are fictional traits?

The former has never been the strong suit of most human beings, that's why much of the wealth is concentrated into a few who took risks and it paid off, either they did it, or a ancestor did it. It's also why people will prefer to live in a manner they don't agree with because they're more accepting of a little discomfort than the fear of failure going it alone. It also takes principle, to actually do it and see it through, to avoid falling back into acceptance of some discomfort for an illusion of safety, or just violating your principles to have some momentary comfort.
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:30 AM
 
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That's because your more ..........
It's not about me.
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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It's still strange to me how hostile people get when you tell them their life is their own, and as long as they aren't attacking or stealing from others, they have the right to live their life in peace, or however they choose. It's their life. You'd think that would be an easy sell...
Although fictional, I liken the reaction as a vampire to the sunlight watching them shriek and recoil in response to the idea that they may not get to control their neighbors life or gain access their money for their own selfish use.
Its an unfortunate reality, but for many it will take a catastrophic life event to get them to think outside their state made box.
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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Here's some food for thought:

The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise

The residents of Colorado Springs undertook a radical experiment in government. Here’s what they got.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...america-215313

More food for thought:

"libertarian experiments in reality-gone-wrong":
  • Colorado Springs
  • Galt's Gulch
  • Honduras
  • Phoenix Foundation
  • Republic of Minerva
  • Bahamas
  • Vanuatu
  • Silk Road
  • Von Ormy
  • Kowloon Walled City (KWC), a.k.a. The City of Darkness
  • Bitcoinistan
  • Liberland
  • Seasteading
  • The Citadel
  • Free State Project
  • Operation Red Dog
  • ...
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Libertarian_paradise
Just look at New Mexico when Gary Johnson was governor, or Massachusetts when Bill Weld was governor. Both did well.
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:44 AM
 
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It's not about me.
It's more likely more about this ...

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15 Styles of Distorted Thinking

Avoid cognitive distortions that may skew the perception of your self, your relationships and your world

...Mind Reading: Without their saying so, you know what people are feeling and why they act the way they do. In particular, you are able to divine how people are feeling toward you. Mind reading depends on a process called projection. You imagine that people feel the same way you do and react to things the same way you do. Therefore, you don't watch or listen carefully enough to notice that they are actually different. Mind readers jump to conclusions that are true for them, without checking whether they are true for the other person.
https://access.ewu.edu/caps/selfhelp...e/distortthink
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Old 12-29-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Just look at New Mexico when Gary Johnson was governor, or Massachusetts when Bill Weld was governor. Both did well.
Why not flesh this out some? (As I said upthread, my heart is not really in this discussion.)
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