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Old 12-23-2018, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits
2. Line Item Veto
3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t
4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.
5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)
6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.
7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months
8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.
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Old 12-23-2018, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Originally Posted by sandsthetime View Post
We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits
2. Line Item Veto
3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t
4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.
5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)
6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.
7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months
8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.

1. The original contract included term limits, but they never followed through on that final component.

2. The line-item veto that Clinton enjoyed for a brief period of time was shot down by the Supreme Court.

3. How about expulsion from Congress for leaders that fail to put a budget up for a vote and any member that misses a budget vote?

4. Hmmm...maybe.

5. Agreed

6. Not sure why we need a filibuster.

7. Make it one month.

8. OK
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Old 12-23-2018, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I would agree with most of those things.

But a definite NO on the line item veto. That just expands the power of the executive even more and the executive is already too powerful as we've seen under this administration.
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Old 12-23-2018, 11:18 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by sandsthetime View Post
We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits
2. Line Item Veto
3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t
4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.
5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)
6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.
7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months
8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.
What makes you think they will follow that one, either?
Silly... they are never subject to the ramifications in their policies. Everyone knows that.
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Old 12-24-2018, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Time for a new Contract For America

Sure...

When Gingrich did that 23 years ago, it worked so well that he got shoved out the door.

Oh, yeah...

He did the govt shutdown thing, too.

Carry on.


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Old 12-24-2018, 07:46 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sandsthetime View Post
We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits
2. Line Item Veto
3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t
4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.
5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)
6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.
7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months
8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.
1. Yes
2. No, this should never occur.
3. Yes
4. Yes, yes
5. Yep.
6. I would do away with the filibusterer altogether. If a party wins an election, they should be able to implement what they see fit.
7. Yes
8. Yes
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Old 12-24-2018, 08:24 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Originally Posted by sandsthetime View Post
We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits
2. Line Item Veto
3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t
4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.
5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)
6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.
7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months
8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.
Need amendments but
1) Sounds good
2) Sounds good
3) Sounds good
4) Sounds good
5) Sounds good
6) Sounds good
7) Change to all federal judge appointments
8) I will think about it. On the surface good but...

Can I add 9) Gerrymandering illegal.
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Old 12-24-2018, 03:07 PM
 
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We need a new “Contract For America”, with sensible Constitutional amendments / law changes / rule changes.

1. Term Limits

do you really think that elected officials that write the laws are going to limit themselves?



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2. Line Item Veto

nice idea, but i think even newt knew it was unconstitutional. presidents cant change what congress passes, they can only sign it or veto it.



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3. Requirement to pass a budget, and consequences if they don’t

again it would be nice, but its likely not going to happen.


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4. True campaign finance reform. NO FUNDRAISING at the Presidential or Senatorial level, only allocated government funds. Spending caps on all other races. House donations can only come from citizens of that state. No corporate / union / group donations.

so you want to limit the rights of the people to speak in what ever manner they choose? the scotus has ruled that political donations are free speech, like it or not. this may pass congress, and may even be signed into law by the president, but it will never pass muster in the courts.



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5. No lobbyists. No bundlers (for money or ballots)

again nice idea, but it wont happen. as for the ballot thing, that will have to be done at the state level since that is where elections are held.



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6. Change the filibuster to 55 votes.

that is a senate rule not a law. want to change senate rules, then become a senator and work towards that end



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7. All Supreme Court nominees are guaranteed an up/down vote within 4 months

again you are talking about senate rules. and there is no guarantee that any presidential nominee will get a vote in the senate.



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8. Cap on the debt, tied to GDP

again nice idea, but again will never happen.



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Also, during a government shutdown, members of Congress and their staffs can't engage in re-election or fundraising campaigns.

again wont happen ever.



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With the current shutdown, there have been two years to actually work together and reach a compromise. However, there's no incentive for either side to really move off their talking points. Maybe shutting down their gravy train would make all sides more willing to come to the table.

oh please, the democrats and republicans in congress have been at each others throats since the clinton administration.



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1. The original contract included term limits, but they never followed through on that final component.

first off what gingrich proposed was a contract WITH america, no on or for america. and mo, the contract said they would bring ten things up for a vote in the first 100 days, theynever said anything about them passing and becoming law. and they fulfilled that contract.
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Old 12-24-2018, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Term limits do no good. My own state of Missouri, which has had term limits on all elected offices since the early 90's, illustrates exactly why. It actually makes some things worse. Because you get a lot of inexperienced legislators with little seniority, it actually *increases* the power of lobbyists and special interest groups, who are more easily able to manipulate rookie legislators.

Missouri Experience Illustrates Problems With Term Limits
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It now appears that many Missourians regret the passage of term limits, according to the Kansas City Star. “On the question of whether term limits have been a success in Missouri, the vast majority responded with a resounding no.”

This opinion — that term limits have made the Missouri Legislature worse — is bipartisan. Gregg Keller, a Republican political consultant, told the Star that term limits have produced many problems: “It’s ensured that the people in the Capitol who know the most about legislation and the legislative process are the lobbyists who have been there longer than the term-limited representatives of the people.”

...

Unfortunately, many conservatives have bought the myth that term limits are a solution to the problem of expanding government. But as Loudon expertly explained, “What happens when you institute term limits is that it transfers [power] not to the young, fresh-faced legislators (as I had fantasized), but rather to those who are not elected: The consultants, the staff and the lobbyists.”
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Old 12-24-2018, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Sure...

When Gingrich did that 23 years ago, it worked so well that he got shoved out the door.

Oh, yeah...

He did the govt shutdown thing, too.

Carry on.


It was nicknamed the "Contract ON America."
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