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Anyway my point is that Hispanics are far more conservative than Democrats would like you to believe.
As someone married to a Mexican-American Hispanic for 25 years, I say your view is too limited.
Individual Hispanics are INDIVIDUAL. Some liberal, most in fact, some conservative. Some liberal about this or that but conservative or traditional about family. 95% of my husband's family are liberal.
I am half Italian, Italian in the US were Democrats more way back and now many are conservative. you see some similar trends here in parts of Texas. San Marcos has a lot of conservative Hispanic Texans.
But it is "all over the place". Cuba and Castro and all that stuff just does not figure in here were I am at. I have met 2 Cubans in 40 years of being in Texas.
Even referring to Hispanics is tricky. On the west coast they use Chicano, here sometimes certain groups use Chicano, but rarely. It is seen as a political term, more 70's. Latino is popular some places but not in my family, they prefer Hispanic.[/quote]
Another interesting thing is here in South Louisiana there are a lot of people who have white Spanish ancestry from Spain because their ancestors were here when Spain controlled Louisiana and much of the Gulf coast. (The current architecture of the French Quarter was actually built by the Spanish who took over the region from the French and then returned it to the French just in time for the Louisiana Purchase.)
So here you would have white people with last names like Jimenez that pronounce it with a "J" sound and Martinez where the accent is in MAR-tinez. Many are also descended from the Canary Islanders who are white Spaniards. I don't know if people count Spain as a white or a Hispanic country but everyone I know of Spanish ancestry sees themselves as white. Some of them have mentioned traveling to other parts of the country and being asked if they have Mexican ancestry and would stress they're "100% white". I guess a white Cuban can be a white Hispanic but most people with Spanish descent are totally 100% white Americans.
I can't agree with you more. They will vote Republican because of the Dem party on abortion and other issues.
Even if most Hispanics are Catholic most don't get too involved with the abortion issue. Most are attracted to the fiscal liberalism of Democrats. I know a lot of Hispanics and most are not interested in politics period (which is kind of a nice quality) and they are notorious for low voter turnout .
As someone married to a Mexican-American Hispanic for 25 years, I say your view is too limited.
Individual Hispanics are INDIVIDUAL. Some liberal, most in fact, some conservative. Some liberal about this or that but conservative or traditional about family. 95% of my husband's family are liberal.
I am half Italian, Italian in the US were Democrats more way back and now many are conservative. you see some similar trends here in parts of Texas. San Marcos has a lot of conservative Hispanic Texans.
But it is "all over the place". Cuba and Castro and all that stuff just does not figure in here were I am at. I have met 2 Cubans in 40 years of being in Texas.
Even referring to Hispanics is tricky. On the west coast they use Chicano, here sometimes certain groups use Chicano, but rarely. It is seen as a political term, more 70's. Latino is popular some places but not in my family, they prefer Hispanic.
Another interesting thing is here in South Louisiana there are a lot of people who have white Spanish ancestry from Spain because their ancestors were here when Spain controlled Louisiana and much of the Gulf coast. (The current architecture of the French Quarter was actually built by the Spanish who took over the region from the French and then returned it to the French just in time for the Louisiana Purchase.)
So here you would have white people with last names like Jimenez that pronounce it with a "J" sound and Martinez where the accent is in MAR-tinez. Many are also descended from the Canary Islanders who are white Spaniards. I don't know if people count Spain as a white or a Hispanic country but everyone I know of Spanish ancestry sees themselves as white. Some of them have mentioned traveling to other parts of the country and being asked if they have Mexican ancestry and would stress they're "100% white". I guess a white Cuban can be a white Hispanic but most people with Spanish descent are totally 100% white Americans.[/quote]
In my city on the West Coast (and I realize it's just one city) you never hear the word Chicano. Mexican is used the most followed by Hispanic. I notice that English speaking Mexican-Americans who grew up here like the word Hispanic.
I am hispanic, my grandmother is from northwest Mexico and my grandfather is from Cuba. I am also white, my grandfather’s family were labeled “evil white capitalists” by the Castro regime, they had their property taken from them by the state and were forced to flee to the US. For all intents and purposes the majority of Hispanics in the US identify as white. They are Castizos. So when the Democrats say that white men are a problem they are talking about Hispanic men! When they push socialism they are pushing the same ideas that forced many Hispanics to flee their home countries to begin with. Hispanics are also more religious than the population at large. So when they demonize Christianity they are demonizing many Hispanics. Hispanics are especially conservative on issues like abortion. In fact the only major city in the US with a conservative mayor is Miami which also happens to be the most Hispanic city and is the financial center for South America. Anyway my point is that Hispanics are far more conservative than Democrats would like you to believe.
Perhaps a very small number overall of Hispanics are conservative like you, whose families supported the ruthless dictator Batista in Cuba and then had to flee. I've known a few and they had been brainwashed from birth, to be ultra-right. But they constitute no political force and will probably disappear in another generation, as an identifiable group. This one guy of that ilk, gets very angry, when I wish him a happy July 26th, each year. Poor Cuba------out of the frying-pan and into the fire, with the next variety of dictator.
The US Census defines Hispanic as people from Dominica, Cuba, Mexico, Puerto Rico, South and Central America and other Spanish cultures , regardless of race.
The US Census began counting Hispanic origin population in 1980, on the cusp of the wave of illegal immigration.
Says you. Again, this isn't your call and plenty of people do identify as Latino and/or Mexican American, Dominican, Borican, Tejano, etc.
Just like I identify as both Asian American and Chinese American. You don't get to define it.
I still say we're never going to come together as a people until we start making "American" our primary designation instead of our secondary one. "American First" so to speak.
I am hispanic, my grandmother is from northwest Mexico and my grandfather is from Cuba. I am also white, my grandfather’s family were labeled “evil white capitalists” by the Castro regime, they had their property taken from them by the state and were forced to flee to the US. For all intents and purposes the majority of Hispanics in the US identify as white. They are Castizos. So when the Democrats say that white men are a problem they are talking about Hispanic men! When they push socialism they are pushing the same ideas that forced many Hispanics to flee their home countries to begin with. Hispanics are also more religious than the population at large. So when they demonize Christianity they are demonizing many Hispanics. Hispanics are especially conservative on issues like abortion. In fact the only major city in the US with a conservative mayor is Miami which also happens to be the most Hispanic city and is the financial center for South America. Anyway my point is that Hispanics are far more conservative than Democrats would like you to believe.
Wait. If you say you are "Hispanic", doesn't it offend that part of you when Donald Trump characterizes your people as "Murderers, rapists, drug dealers, and , I assume, some are good people"? Got news for you, it is the Democrats who are fighting to give other Mexicans an opportunity to be a part of this country, it is your "Conservative Right" who want that wall and who think of Mexicans as animals.
I'm glad you have conservative values, but to deny that Democrats care more about you than your own side is ridiculous. If they could, the GOP would have you back on a truck to your homeland. In their eyes, that white part of you doesn't exist.
All "Democrats" is a hasty generalization, as is all "Hispanics," and faulty logic. No points made here.
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