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Old 01-03-2019, 10:44 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's not becoming third world... it is working itself out of the madness of a history of race based ignorance, and wealthy driven greed and corporate malice..... It not going to allow itself to be a One Ethnicity Society where only one groups has all the attributes democracy provides.
I dispute that. For example, Walmart has a less than 2% profit margin, but idiots insist that Walmart can pay higher wages. No, they cannot.

The BIG problem is the proliferation of the welfare class. It's mathematically unsustainable. The bottom 50% pay $48 billion in federal income tax revenue while the public assistance program-dependent population draws $800 billion/year from the US's resources. Reconcile that without CONFISCATING earnings from others.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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Because it's callous and cruel
How is that cruel and callous?

People shouldn’t suffer the consequences of their own decisions? Last time I checked, it’s called justice.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:46 AM
 
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Don't play coy, you are basically saying they should be allowed to starve to death
That's their choice. They can either support themselves, or not.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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How is that cruel and callous?

People shouldn’t suffer the consequences of their own decisions? Last time I checked, it’s called justice.
Not everyone can be a doctor or laywer or investment banker; so someone shouldn't suffer because they're a janitor or cashier
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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Turning to crime, robbery and murder in starving desperation. Guess who will be victims of that when things turn real bad and grocery stores get armed security? Think your little gates and locks can hold back the hordes, think again.
WHY are there "hordes" to begin with? Artificial financial support paid for by earnings confiscated from others.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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Not everyone can be a doctor or laywer or investment banker; so someone shouldn't suffer because they're a janitor or cashier
Except for the disabled, a person can’t make a living based on his or her own labor?
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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WHY are there "hordes" to begin with? Artificial financial support paid for by earnings confiscated from others.
Maybe there are "hordes" due to outsourcing of manufacturing.....
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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InformedConsent has mentioned before that she "believes is natural selection"; and letting weaker humans die out so the strong can survive
We need discussion from both sides, which are not extreme. How do we really handle it when automation takes a lot of jobs, wages stay stagnant, next recession arrives, the middle class dissolves, while COL keeps increasing....etc.

I don't even care about fake libertarian utopian fantasy, it isn't real.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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Yeah, being a humanitarian and helping those less fortunate. This isn't the jungle, it's modern society
Then make such support voluntary.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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Except for the disabled, a person can’t make a living based on his or her own labor?
Not when the wage is less than is required for food and shelter
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