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That section of the wall needs to have concrete footings added to the base.
Footings? Because they wouldn't be able to dig between them?
Or do you think the $6b wall will include 30 ft of solid barrier underground as well?
Might as well ask for a moat.
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No wall will ever completely stop the migrant invasion, but it does slow them down so that the border patrol has more control of the situation. And it's a much better situation than no border wall at all, and them meandering across our southern boundaries at all points.
It couldn't even stop kids.
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And the important message that a wall sends is that they are NOT welcome in this country and that breaching the wall is an illegal action.
Again, $6 billion dollars is NOTHING. Boston's Big Dig project cost the Feds and MA $24.3 billion dollars.
The big dig provided tangible benefit to millions of american citizens. As evidenced by the fact that children were able to use a tunnel going below the wall, the wall will not deter anyone.
A multi billion dollar wall built from our tax dollars is being proposed by Republicans and no, Mexico is not going to pay for it as promised by the president. Yet another broken promise and outright lie by him.
How effective will a wall be when you can just dig under it?
How effective will a wall be when you can just get a ladder?
How effective will a wall be when you have people who are extreamly motivated because they are extreamly desperate with little to lose who have shovels and bare hands to dig with and smart brains to overcome obstacles with?
Just read this article today:
30 unaccompanied children were among 376 migrants who tunneled under border wall into Arizona | Fox News
What's your point? That we don't need a wall? Looks like you are arguing for a better wall. No wall would most definitely not have prevented this either.
You may be surprised that I have never said that a wall is the *best* solution to illegal immigration. I've said numerous times that the call for a wall is a symptom of unattended issues and the failure of our leaders to do those "other measures". Rather than reduce incentives for illegals to come here and live here, Dems continue to create incentives. Sanctuary cities, protection from police, drivers licenses, low cost insurance, paid legal representation, child tax credits, ESL programs, free breakfasts and lunches, birthright citizenship and all the public welfare that brings, etc.
You can talk and talk and talk about better ways but what those for the wall are saying is that enough talk. Implement those better ways now or start building the wall now.
The border areas are not aligned because they have already been conquered from within. Remember the warnings about the Silent Invasion? Well it worked. Read about in this book. Now those border areas are heavily populated and integrated with illegals. The American citizens there are more concerned with the best interests of their friends and relatives and neighbors and co-workers than the general welfare of Americans in Kansas or Georgia or Ohio.
I don't focus so much on what you might actually say or not say (again the semantics), because I think more in terms of Trump and what his supporters are thinking and saying in general, very typically reflected by comments like yours in threads like this one, but okay...
Maybe you too don't think the wall is the best solution, but you really don't address my more fundamental question. Just how much of a solution is it? You also don't venture a guess as to why the border states are not generally in agreement either, compared to states like Kansas or Georgia or Ohio. Why not?
Wouldn't you think the states with the highest incidents of all you are complaining about would be the ones far more supportive of Trump's wall over states like Kansas or Georgia or Ohio?
A multi billion dollar wall built from our tax dollars is being proposed by Republicans and no, Mexico is not going to pay for it as promised by the president. Yet another broken promise and outright lie by him.
How effective will a wall be when you can just dig under it?
How effective will a wall be when you can just get a ladder?
How effective will a wall be when you have people who are extreamly motivated because they are extreamly desperate with little to lose who have shovels and bare hands to dig with and smart brains to overcome obstacles with?
Just read this article today:
30 unaccompanied children were among 376 migrants who tunneled under border wall into Arizona | Fox News
Oh not this crap again. How many times do I have to post the link denoting how Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall before you guys stop parroting this over and over in here? Were you as concerned about it back in 2006 when the actual wall bill was passed and it was to be soley the taxpayer to fund it? Thought not! Why are you concerned about a $25 billion wall when illegal aliens cost us over $100 billion a year? Did you fail math in school?
The good physical barriers already in place have not been tunneled under nor scaled over successfully. Why don't you guys bother to search out the facts instead of throwing out stupid scenarios? As for today's article, within the article it said that it was the flimsy fencing that was breached not the good barriers. Geezus, educate yourselves on this issue for Christ's sake!
You think being 12 ft tall is why the went UNDER it? So the even taller wall will do what in your opinion?
Not all walls are created equal.
Deep footings, tunnel sensors, cameras and additional security personnel used in conjunction with the wall are all things that can minimize tunnels and climbing over.
The current wall has been in use for nearly 30 years and is approaching the end of its life cycle. Like all capital equipment, it must be replaced with better technology. I don't have issue with replacing the current wall with, say, a taller metal fence with barbed wire as a first line of defense but it must be backed up by surveillance technology.
A multi billion dollar wall built from our tax dollars is being proposed by Republicans and no, Mexico is not going to pay for it as promised by the president. Yet another broken promise and outright lie by him.
How effective will a wall be when you can just dig under it?
How effective will a wall be when you can just get a ladder?
How effective will a wall be when you have people who are extreamly motivated because they are extreamly desperate with little to lose who have shovels and bare hands to dig with and smart brains to overcome obstacles with?
Just read this article today:
30 unaccompanied children were among 376 migrants who tunneled under border wall into Arizona | Fox News
Interesting view. yes, most of us had heard about the tunnel but the wall,still is a deterrent and anything that will help needs to be done. As for families sending their kids across the border regardless of how, should loose their parental rights. if they would send their kids, with no idea what is going to happen to these young ones, who knows what else they may do. They are showing they are not trustworthy and are willing to break the law. To me,this is child desertion and child endangerment.
As for the comment, the Mexicans will pay for it: I don't think anyone really believed Mexico would pay for including our Pres. He meant in a round about way they would, but his choice of words, which isn't unusual were very poor and are now coming back to haunt him.
ahzzie: no, a fence,wall,whatever is not meant to completely solve the problems, but it sure will help.
Physical barriers are also the only means of border security that will stop someone before they cross the border instead of catching them after they cross.............which let's them claim asylum and allows them to stay here for years while the case gets decided in court, costing us millions and tying up our courts.
Which is exactly why Democrats are so enthusiastic about alternative means instead of the wall.....
The wall is proactive ..... all other technologies are reactive .
Democrats seem to spend an awful lot of time justifying their opposition to the wall because they don't think it will be effective.......but they don't really want to put an awful lot of time into explaining what they think will be effective at actually keeping people from crossing the border instead of stopping them after they get here.
That's right !!!
It seems we are in a growing list of people who are far to smart to be democrats. I'm not sure why they have decided to limit their membership to those who have an IQ that matches their shoe size.
The newer sections of wall are augered down very deeply into the earth; this is in part why the price tag for new construction is so high. The new design better prevents tunneling, which is most common along the AZ border because of the soft sand there.
The ladder strategy is a false premise, plain and simple. With the exception of the most populated border areas where supplies like a tall ladder can be found, how in the hell is someone supposed to carry a large ladder hundreds of miles through the desert? These people can’t even carry enough basic supplies to keep themselves hydrated and fed. And they don’t have a penny to their name. But they’re going to hump an expensive tall ladder through the Chihuahua desert? And what do they do with the ladder once they’re at the wall? Use it to climb up one side then what - jump 30 feet down the other side? ROFL. I wish people would think these things out a bit more.
What I don't get is how they can just climb up steel slats with bare hands. The videos I have seen make it look like a piece of cake. What is the defense against that?
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How many times do I have to post the link denoting how Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall before you guys stop parroting this over and over in here? Were you as concerned about it back in 2006 when the actual wall bill was passed and it was to be soley the taxpayer to fund it? Thought not! Why are you concerned about a $25 billion wall when illegal aliens cost us over $100 billion a year? Did you fail math in school?
