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A considerable distinction especially when you're talking TRILLIONS of dollars.
We would have come out of the recession without doubling the debt....( It really wasn't as bad as the doom and gloomers were claiming anyways)
Obama's adding 10 trillion to the debt was completely unnecessary.
I like to consider comments and notions like yours, and no doubt you have the knowledge and experience that should have us accepting your notions as if they are proven facts, but please...
As one who has considered the post-GW recession that Obama had to assume in more than a few ways, I would REALLY appreciate what links -- data -- proof -- ANYTHING -- you can offer to justify your claim we would have come out of the recession without doubling the debt (despite what just about every legitimate economists was telling GW and Obama at the time).
Did you think all heads of the auto-industry were in Washington with hat in hand was just a show? Nothing very unusual? Just for starters? Lehman Brothers files for bankruptcy. A global financial services company in business over 150 years, fourth largest in the United States. No worries? Need I go on?
Please, and if you can't provide that proof, also please think again about what assumptions are fueling your obvious political bias that inspires you to make these comments as if they are anything other than your opinion about something you really don't know much about.
Pelosi and Schumer have been in office since the 80’s but somehow all our problems can be laid at the feet of a President who has only been around 2 years. Democratic logic.
To be fair and/or logical...
Most of these comments are not about "all our problems." Again reference the title of this thread and focus. Trump is doing a good job of keeping us distracted from all our other more serious problems...
In Trump's short two years he has taken credit for doing more for this country than any POTUS prior. A good laugh for the U.N. and most of us who were also laughing way back then. Again when Trump told us he is a genius. Also when he promised his big beautiful wall that Mexico would pay for. Not so funny as people supposedly loyal to Trump have either been charged with crimes or just leaving the White House to get out from under Trump like rats on a sinking ship. Now too it's not as funny as our economy is struggling to maintain the positive trajectory we were enjoying there at first or now that we're into the longest government shutdown in our history as well. Let's not even start with what Pelosi and Schumer are individually responsible for compared to our big hands president Trump.
Unless you too are trying to be real funny that is...
If not, go here for maybe a little more truth about all that and a good deal less nonsense.
The polls are blaming trump the most. And ominously, he is losing support from his core... Whites without a college degree
Not from his "core" I don't think...
His core is a group of people so heavily invested with their ego, fears and emotions on behalf of Trump, we all know Trump could shoot one of them on 5th Avenue, and they would still love him. Trump supporters like those commenting in this thread. People who got behind Trump in a big way back when Trump started all that anti-Obama birther business and still behind Trump in a big way despite all that has gone on since, including now this government shut down second to none before.
The polls are beginning to show an erosion of support not from his base but among those who are not so heavily invested in their support of Trump with all their ego. People not as prone to Trump's fear-mongering or tweeting ways, people who were also not sure but a little suspicious about what MAGA really meant and more likely to pick Trump out of confusion by way of a coin toss. People who are now seeing what someone like Trump can do to this country if they become POTUS and willing to rethink that decision to vote for him.
American success didn't "just happen" nor was it given. Success is the product of the system and culture and people. Everyone wants the same success but they don't want to put in the effort to get it. They despise the American way but want the kind of life the American way can offer. It's those who stayed behind that should be recognised.
Some of the countries I've been in the last 5 years, 3-5x for some of them, are Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and Belize. Will be in Costa Rica in a few weeks.
This is EXACTLY the sort of notion that underpins the "ugliness" of "ugly Americans."
What did you do to enjoy what you enjoy as an American citizen? What did you do to become an American citizen?
Not sure what your personal experience might be with family, friends or yourself who were/are born in a country not as rich in so many ways as the United States, let alone poor, corrupt or dangerous, but to suggest those people are somehow less willing to "put in the effort" or somehow different from a DNA standpoint (not sure how else to understand your comment), well that's simply the sort of racism that underpins all that begins to make the "ugly American" anything but a myth!
You've been to these countries, and you view the people there as somehow inferior in terms of wanting to make the effort? Many are willing to make the effort to immigrate -- even illegally -- in the face of serious risk to self and family, just to get their family out of harms way, away from a life of poverty, to work for minimum pay here in America, and work hard! At just about any cost, for just about any pay!
Please explain how you conclude these people are somehow inferior compared to those of us fortunate to simply be born in America (many of us also the children of immigrants). Do you really know any of these people? Just how are they "not willing to put in the same effort," and/or what effort did you put in more than they are willing?
This is exactly the sort of revelation we knew Trump was all about too. Closet racism and bigotry. Wrong! Here again revealed in no uncertain terms!
We're all just people, people! Regardless of color, sex, religion or country of origin. Our lives are largely a function of the circumstances we are born into, and I for one feel VERY fortunate to have been born in America (Chicago, Illinois to be exact). Successful too I might add, but not superior or better or more willing to put in the effort to live a quality life than so many less fortunate poor people all over the world! Literally DYING to enjoy the same opportunities we mostly take for granted here.
Border security, effective immigration policy? Of course, but let's not let it be about the superior race or even superior people. Lazy foreigners vs us better Americans. Please! That's just backward thinking and the sort of serious problem we still face with too many Americans today.
Just ugly! Though again -- thankfully -- not all Americans think this way!
There is no rational explanation as to why the United States should NOT have secure borders.
There is no rational reason the US should continue to allow tens of thousands, tens of MILLIONS of immigrants to cross over, illegally into the country, year after year, regardless of any political argument. The problem is so huge it has to be brought under immediate control to even BEGIN the process of sorting it all out. Leaving it lawless out there benefits nobody.
Regardless of the truly heart-felt tear-jerking reasons we should make the patently foolish attempt to take in everyone in the entire world, the reality is that we simply cannot.
We do not have enough jobs, resources, housing, schooling, transportation or any of the other services necessary to absorb such an influx. Non-assimilation is turning whole areas of our country into a mirror of Brazil, gated communities, surrounded by insanely violent third-world conditions right here at home. Say nothing of those with horrific criminal pasts, medical issues, communicable diseases and the rest. And, of course, we haven't the very slightest idea who any of these people are, they're completely OFF THE RECORD!!! Rest assured the terrorists of the world are well aware how easy it is to infiltrate the US.
These poor, the dispossessed people of Central America, are abandoning their home countries, that will, in-turn, continue to decline, by loosing workforce, tax base and population causing a snow-balling effect. Life there gets worse, more people leave, or are paid to leave by some odd-ball Hungarian Power-broker or some other mutant globalist persona.
Instead of making the effort to illegally enter another country they should make the effort to improve the quality of life in their home countries. The US Government should help in what ever way possible to make this come to fruition, by empowering Hondurans to improve life in Honduras for all Hondurans including the small middle class but especially the poor. Really not that far fetched of an idea, just that too many seem too afraid to try.
Not only will US stability be a result but better REGIONAL stability will result if life becomes better in Honduras or Guatemala. It's absolutely crazy to think that the ONLY solution to Honduran problems is to simply import all their people into the US. Who on earth thinks that this is a rational idea? Why it's completely insane. That logic is so completely off only a Berkeley student would believe it had any value.
If we were to totally fling open our doors to anyone, globally, who could get here, how many would come? Hundreds of millions? Think the US is getting crowded now at 300 plus million? Think the natural environment is under threat now? Imagine a US population of 1/2 BILLION!!! There wouldn't be an environment left to save, that is for sure.
Illegal immigration promotes instability in the population denuded region, the nations transited and in the (biological) host nation. These immigrants will never achieve any of the true benefits of living here.
Their status will always be in question, because so many ARE illegal the population as a whole will assume (rightly so) that any person they see from those areas of the world is indeed an illegal immigrant. How is this possibly helpful to anyone? How will this promote understanding, tolerance, acceptance or love? We don't like people so brazenly violating the law. It's not a good way to start off a new relationship.
If I know you immigrated here LEGALLY, it says to me that you're committed to doing the right thing. It says you actually LIKE America for what it IS, not just what it can get for you, welfare / hand-out wise. It says that you, dealing with the paperwork and being cognizant of the value, ultimately of jumping through all the governmental hoops to do it all correctly was, for YOU the ONLY way to justly immigrate into the US. I value this and the American PEOPLE will value this. Most of us did the very same thing, LEGALLY. But we'll NEVER respect you if you habitually do it WRONG!
If you don't, you're just a lazy criminal, by definition, that habitually gravitates to the easy and lazy way out, using politics and narrow minded fools in "sanctuary" cities to cover for you. They earns bonus negative respect points to be sure. You're just a turrd-world looser at that point, my sympathy for you is in the basement.
The immigrants' status will always be in question. They'll always have very shaky legal standing, if any at all. You are NOT a citizen, you do NOT have the rights of a citizen, why on EARTH would you think that you should have the rights of a citizen?
No. They'll always be subject to totally unscrupulous labor contractors and political hacks looking to win a vote by totally using immigrants as political chess pieces. The immigrant will be a tool, without rights subject to use, intimidation and abuse all because they're illegal, because they didn't bother to make their entry into the US by the book and so thereby protecting themselves.
The immigration process is too long? Too convoluted? So, what of it. Welcome to welfare state bureaucracy, deal with it like multitude of generations before have dealt with it. No doubt its a process to be endured, but your status is far more secure if you go about it legally. So many violate the law that the law has become worthless.
This lengthy process is by no means an excuse to violate an international frontier and enter into a sovereign nation against the law. To do so is lazy and stupid, and totally detrimental to EVERYONE involved, especially the immigrant "pawn".
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There is no rational explanation as to why the United States should NOT have secure borders.
There is no rational reason the US should continue to allow tens of thousands, tens of MILLIONS of immigrants to cross over, illegally into the country, year after year, regardless of any political argument. The problem is so huge it has to be brought under immediate control to even BEGIN the process of sorting it all out. Leaving it lawless out there benefits nobody.
Regardless of the truly heart-felt tear-jerking reasons we should make the patently foolish attempt to take in everyone in the entire world, the reality is that we simply cannot.
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Spot On.
Illegals are both draining US resources when not working, plus undermining US wage levels when they do work, as its mostly no skill jobs.
We need secure borders with a wall on the southern side. Not so on Canadas side, as that nation has a good economy.
We need to pass the RAISE Act.
We should also do humanitarian food and medicine drops into Central American nations. Not in the path of the caravans, but in the places where they started. Reward those obeying our laws, living where they legally belong. By all means, allow them to attempt to immigrate if they pass the RAISE Act standards.
Multi millionairess Fancy Nancy is pushing hard for a high tech 'wall' of security instead of a real wall/barrier. Why? Could it possibly be -- now this is a crazy, wild guess -- the California high tech corporations are her biggest donors?
Nah!
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