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Old 01-07-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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The majority of Americans disagree with you. We don't want it, we know it won't work, and besides, Trump promised Mexico was going to pay for it, not us. Congress (the House, anyway) is reflecting the will of Americans instead of the will of Trump - for a change.

Do you ? I think I'd take this guys opinion on it over Pelosi's or the average person.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-pelosi-doubt/

 
Old 01-07-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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Is making it harder and harder to win anything in 2020.

It was a longshot as it sits before the shutdown, but they are stupidly shooting themselves in the foot e very single day that insist on this petty obstructionist nonsense. Why dont they see that?
Guess you didn't read all the articles I posted about Texans not wanting a wall. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water . . .

Gotta give you your props though. You, Sanders and Trump never fail to stay on your messaging, no matter how false. LOL>
 
Old 01-07-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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17 criminal aliens are caught at the border....DAILY folks....what about those that slip through?

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/c...ien-statistics

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work

Let not worry about what the people who are guarding the border say....
Again with these statistics and links to Trump's websites, and I do mean Trump's, who removed much of what was there under Obama. Now we get to read what Trump wants us to swallow as if the voice of reason for all of America! Works for Trump supporters of course, but not everyone!

If we are to take any of this seriously, of all those "criminal aliens" you keep fear mongering about, all "17 daily" (as if that's a UUGE number), HALF are listed with the crime of "illegal entry/re-entry." Not exactly the kind of people grandma needs to pack a gun to protect against. Probably has one or two cleaning her house in fact. Of the 6,259, subtract those "criminals," less another 1,298 categorized as "other" who are probably no more to worry about, and you're down to a whopping 1,324, and some of those are double counted!

Over 1,000 are DUIs. Not good to add to our millions of good Americans with DUIs, but not exactly the sort of criminals that Trump likes to call "rapists and murderers."

Yes, be afraid! Be very afraid, and spill another $5 billion on a "big beautiful wall" while we're at it!

When you can't make your case with numbers that actually and/or accurately demonstrate the level of risk we're truly dealing with here, when like Trump you've got to misrepresent and exaggerate the facts, one really has to wonder about the nature of the case being made in the first place.

Just like Trump had us all wondering about those "thousands and thousands” of people he saw cheering in New Jersey after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Remember that? Bet you bought into all that "hook, line and sinker" as well. Right?
 
Old 01-07-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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From what my friends in Texas tell me, I would imagine that most Texans would say if you are going to spend five billion on concrete in their state, then use that concrete to help with the overtaxed crowded highways around the Texas Metro areas.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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From what my friends in Texas tell me, I would imagine that most Texans would say if you are going to spend five billion on concrete in their state, then use that concrete to help with the overtaxed crowded highways around the Texas Metro areas.
And this is exactly the point being made by the Dems. The money can be put to better use for the good of the country.

And that is the for the good of the Country. Not for the good of Trump's 30%.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 01:05 PM
 
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The estimates for the total wall project are $25-30 billion without accounting for overruns. That money could easily be spent on projects that have already been through cost-benefit and feasibility studies and are likely to yield real benefits rather than 13th century nonsense like a border wall.

The sam could be saids for the $10 Billion in foreign aid we promised Mexico and Central America.



Show me the cost-benefit and feasibility studies done for that foreign aid.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 01:14 PM
 
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Again with these statistics and links to Trump's websites, and I do mean Trump's, who removed much of what was there under Obama. Now we get to read what Trump wants us to swallow as if the voice of reason for all of America! Works for Trump supporters of course, but not everyone!

If we are to take any of this seriously, of all those "criminal aliens" you keep fear mongering about, all "17 daily" (as if that's a UUGE number), HALF are listed with the crime of "illegal entry/re-entry." Not exactly the kind of people grandma needs to pack a gun to protect against. Probably has one or two cleaning her house in fact. Of the 6,259, subtract those "criminals," less another 1,298 categorized as "other" who are probably no more to worry about, and you're down to a whopping 1,324, and some of those are double counted!

Over 1,000 are DUIs. Not good to add to our millions of good Americans with DUIs, but not exactly the sort of criminals that Trump likes to call "rapists and murderers."

Yes, be afraid! Be very afraid, and spill another $5 billion on a "big beautiful wall" while we're at it!

When you can't make your case with numbers that actually and/or accurately demonstrate the level of risk we're truly dealing with here, when like Trump you've got to misrepresent and exaggerate the facts, one really has to wonder about the nature of the case being made in the first place.

Just like Trump had us all wondering about those "thousands and thousands” of people he saw cheering in New Jersey after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Remember that? Bet you bought into all that "hook, line and sinker" as well. Right?




LOL...truth hurts...huh....its a fake website because trump owns it....HAHahahahahahahaha, I'm sure he inputs everything, and if what you say is true, the numbers are going the wrong way....


So, the states from 2016 are also false, you know when Obama owned that exact same website.....


The numbers are there whether you like them or not. I'll continue to post them...don't like it, put me on ignore...I don't care...


We just sent 5 billion to mexico...you're probably happy about it.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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Are there no advisers around Donald Trump to tell him that, if he did this, it would open him up to the 25th amendment, and at the very least guarantee he'll be a one-term president???

Don't get me wrong, I want Trump to be a one-term president, but is nobody close to him in the White House telling him this would be political suicide!? Or is it that nobody wants to tell him "no?"


https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/statu...71579911290881
 
Old 01-07-2019, 02:22 PM
 
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Exactly. I also don't care who pays for it, just get it done. I don't understand why the Dems won't budge on this, while trying to get $12 billion more for foreign aid. Why should we be spending $3 billion on the West Bank , Gaza, Syria, and Pakistan ? It certainly does seem like they care very little for our border security.
The issue (here) is that the wall appears to make so little sense in some areas (private land, Rio Grande valley) that even Republicans won't fully fund it. At which point, the concern becomes what Trump might do to dredge up funds. He can't have the military build it or ransack funds appropriated outside Homeland Security.

But it's never been clear whether he might be able to access funds within Homeland Security - and reduce border security where it matters.

That concern may be unfounded but Trump does have a talent for generating chaos and uncertainty.

So, yeah (personally) not building the wall is about "border security." That was my take on day 1 and nothing he's done or said since then really clarifies much.
 
Old 01-07-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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Are there no advisers around Donald Trump to tell him that, if he did this, it would open him up to the 25th amendment, and at the very least guarantee he'll be a one-term president???

Trump will definitely be a two-term President. The first one is 4 years the second will be 15-20. Bada boom, I'll be here all week folks. Tip your waitress.
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