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Old 01-03-2019, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Hopefully they release it anyway!


Im not entirely sure what would happen if the public found out that 9-11 was in fact a conspiracy, and our own Govt was involved, I think there would be some people who try to start a revolution right away, but I bet there would be just as many that take govts side on the issue.

I bet you attend Star Wars conventions in costume, don't you ?
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Old 01-03-2019, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I've done a lot of looking into the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing.....while I'm not ready to pass judgment on whether it definitely was or wasn't, there are a LOT of discrepancies and/or convenient excuses that come up.

Regarding WTC 7 ....what about the comment in a later interview that Larry Silverstein (owner/developer of the WTC bldgs) said the decision "was made to PULL IT" (meaning intentionally take it down with demolition because it was so damaged.....only there was no way the demo procedure could have been undertaken in a matter of hours as it happened...that takes weeks & months of planning and proper placing of the explosives within the building (which was at that point engulfed in flames)).

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Nah, that's not what that means except in the 9/11 Internet conspiracy world. "Pulling it" was the term the FDNY used for abandoning attempts to save the building. Silverstein probably thought he sounded cool when he said it.

That's not why I don't believe the truthers on this one, though. I don't believe it because a) I was in the WTC that day and I can tell you what One felt, smelled, and sounded like from the inside after impact, b) I worked there for 20 years with the engineering department and in building services, and c) because of (b), I know a number of building operations people and engineers who were part of the decision along with the FDNY to abandon WTC7. It's not as if some shady secret federal agent was making the call.

It's too long to go into again, but there was no controlled demolition. This is not a defense of the US government or a claim that anyone connected to the government knew about or played a role in what happened because I honestly don't know. But I do know that it was not a controlled demolition.
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Old 01-03-2019, 09:34 PM
 
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Nah, that's not what that means except in the 9/11 Internet conspiracy world. "Pulling it" was the term the FDNY used for abandoning attempts to save the building. Silverstein probably thought he sounded cool when he said it.

That's not why I don't believe the truthers on this one, though. I don't believe it because a) I was in the WTC that day and I can tell you what One felt, smelled, and sounded like from the inside after impact, b) I worked there for 20 years with the engineering department and in building services, and c) because of (b), I know a number of building operations people and engineers who were part of the decision along with the FDNY to abandon WTC7. It's not as if some shady secret federal agent was making the call.

It's too long to go into again, but there was no controlled demolition. This is not a defense of the US government or a claim that anyone connected to the government knew about or played a role in what happened because I honestly don't know. But I do know that it was not a controlled demolition.
Here is Silverstein himself saying it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0

He says "the smartest thing to do is pull it.....and they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

As far as the controlled demolition review this (both fairly short vids...there are much longer ones that go into fine detail):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bYOSczi2_I

and:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c45500...nter-bulding-7
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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And they want Bitcoins? They may want to rethink that. May as well ask for soybeans as payment.

Anyway, I imagine that this story will die away. There was no secret conspiracy concerning 9/11.
So you reject the official story. And every other possible story. I guess you think it didn't happen at all?
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:20 PM
 
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sorry, but I have yet to see any facts from the twofers

griffen and steven jones get debunked regularly
You're saying that NORAD shot down the planes before they hit the WTC, because you can't debunk Griffin without proving that.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:28 PM
 
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A 17 story building collapses in Tehran in ~12 seconds (my count). It crumbles unevenly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnqDn6HZZw

47 story wtc7 collapses in 7 seconds. If it looks like control demotion, and falls like control demolition, it is control demolition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMUR1zAcB6Q
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:02 PM
 
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Even ex-president Bush think 9,11 was a conspiracy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di9TP3_vVqc

ABC had to cut that part out, https://youtu.be/1lE_kx_l_XM?t=75
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:09 AM
 
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Im surprised that Larry Silverstein video is still accessible online!
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by luckyram View Post
Here is Silverstein himself saying it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0

He says "the smartest thing to do is pull it.....and they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

As far as the controlled demolition review this (both fairly short vids...there are much longer ones that go into fine detail):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bYOSczi2_I

and:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c45500...nter-bulding-7
pull the people out
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Old 01-04-2019, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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A 17 story building collapses in Tehran in ~12 seconds (my count). It crumbles unevenly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvnqDn6HZZw

47 story wtc7 collapses in 7 seconds. If it looks like control demotion, and falls like control demolition, it is control demolition.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMUR1zAcB6Q
Why is it when the twoofers talk about bld7, people never:

1. Admit that the building (7) got BADLY damaged when the towers fell:

a) the entire front fascia was sheared off

b) a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

2. Admit that there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building. (this article PROVES the substation and the new one rebuilt in May04,, It also gives a good description of the transformers)

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation - GOVERNOR PATAKI JOINS CON EDISON TO MARK OPENING OF ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AT 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER

3. Admit that the building had 20 or more back up generators (4 on the 23rd floor, 3 on the 7th floor, 14 on the 5th floor, 1 on the 8th floor w/fuel tank, 4 on the 46th floor, 1 on the 9th floor)(Proves the FACT of many things that could have BLOWN up within the building supporting the statements of "heard explosions")

4. Admit that the building had 22 main Transformers(which can explode if heated(full of oil))(some of them 2 stories tall) and 2 dry transformers (10 1st floor, 12 5th floor, 2 7th floor)(proves the FACT of more things that could have blown up)

5. Admit that the Fuel source for those generators was stored in the building and equaled 18 tankers (18,000 gallons on the 2nd floor, and 48,000 in the lower level, 300 gallons on the 23rd floor, 300 gallons on the 5th floor, 100 gallons on the 9th floor, 300 gallons on the 7th floor)(proves the FACT of a major fuel source, along with all the office furnature)

6. Admit the there was LP gas lines running throughout the building

7. Admit that the Penthouse fell FIRST

8. Admit that the building did NOT fall symmetrically it collapsed from the center(the north wall even covered the debris

9. Admit that it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

10. Admit that the FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

A) I will give just two,,,,"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors." –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...HIC/9110081.PD

b). The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110217.PDF

11. Admit that there was a problem with the water supply(NO WATER)

12 the only mention "3 buildings" but not the other 10 buildings were destroyed that day in NYC

13. Admit that to wire a building.:

.......a) would take months.

.......b) beams would HAVE to be cut ,making the building NOT safe to go into for months prior to the collapse(proves that there is not way the building could have been imploded since monday sept 10 was a WORK DAY)

.......c) explosives don't like fire and heat

........d) that the term "pull" is NOT used in Explosive demos

14. admit that the expert engineers said it would fall by 1400, and it still stood till after 4pm...


certainly was NOT a cd...any one who states it was a CD, has no idea what a cd is
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