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Old 01-05-2019, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In other countries I don't know but in the USA the wealth gap is becoming too much and that is a problem when people can't get healthcare and medications or earn enough working to keep a roof over their heads and food in the fridge.
the wealth gap is increasing in EVERY first would country...to include some of the more 'socialist like" countries such as Denmark, Sweden, and France.
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Old 01-06-2019, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I spent too much time trying to find a specific meme related to this...couldn't find it, but I did come across a lot of communist and socialist memes that made me turn to an imaginary camera and shake my head. That, or blankly stare at the ceiling.
I have to give you credit because you're the one who really honed my perception on statists being obsessed with the unfairness of nature (natural scarcity, people will suffer & die no matter what, etc).

Capitalism just is. It exists without pride or prejudice. It doesn't punish or reward. It simply is.

I honestly believe that folks believe (excuse the redundancy) you can alter reality by a social construct: whether that be taxes, regulations, laws, voting, religion (which is what statism is).

I mentioned it in an earlier soliloquy somewhere else on the board but I found it out in my own family when my father became ill and died.

You can still bargain.

You can find a way around this.

You can rationalize it away.

Just play pretend.

The desperation and fear was palpable. Not with my father of course. He realized his number was being called.

If the ends justify the means then what good is life anyway? The means are what give your life value, joy, sadness, etc.

If I can artificially get to the ends what good is that?
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I have to give you credit because you're the one who really honed my perception on statists being obsessed with the unfairness of nature (natural scarcity, people will suffer & die no matter what, etc).

Capitalism just is. It exists without pride or prejudice. It doesn't punish or reward. It simply is.

I honestly believe that folks believe (excuse the redundancy) you can alter reality by a social construct: whether that be taxes, regulations, laws, voting, religion (which is what statism is).

I mentioned it in an earlier soliloquy somewhere else on the board but I found it out in my own family when my father became ill and died.

You can still bargain.

You can find a way around this.

You can rationalize it away.

Just play pretend.

The desperation and fear was palpable. Not with my father of course. He realized his number was being called.

If the ends justify the means then what good is life anyway? The means are what give your life value, joy, sadness, etc.

If I can artificially get to the ends what good is that?
Definitely. What bothers me the most is how people want to blame or punish others for problems caused by existence itself. They think it’s “fair” to penalize someone who didn’t even cause the problem.

It’s really obvious with the SJWs and Marxists, where they find scapegoats for their own struggles in life and rationalize every situation to fit that narrative. The entire topic of privilege is just people complaining that others have unearned advantages. Yeah, some are born into better situations than others, and it’s not fair.

NATURE is not fair, so go after nature/existence if you want to vent your frustration. Don’t punish people who aren’t even to blame for your own bad luck. I sympathize and have my own bad luck, but we don’t get to harm others just because they got a good roll of the dice...doesn’t stop us from doing what we can with what we have.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Humans in their more or less modern form have existed for somewhere around 300,000 years. Humans have only practiced agriculture for about 10,000 of those years. A blip on the radar essentially. The natural state of humans is not to claim ownership over a piece of land and stay there and farm it or mine it. It's to wander, following the wild food sources.

No, the natural state is to claim ownership. Humans did not wander. They remained in the same place until their food supply was exhausted, or until other external factors, such as weather or encroaching tribes forced them to migrate to another more fruitful place, where they remained until their food supply was exhausted or external factors forced them to leave.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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What needs to happen in poor countries like South Africa and other poor African countries so that capitalism or market economics can help to reduce poverty in these countries? Can anyone give any examples of formerly poor countries that were able to improve their economies through capitalism? How did they do it?

The views here talk about how capitalism isn't benefiting South Africa.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FVCJ-NkRWI&t=332s
You just get out of the way, and Capitalism works all by itself.
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You just get out of the way, and Capitalism works all by itself.
Capitalism is a state invention, not a natural state of human beings.
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Capitalism is a state invention, not a natural state of human beings.
It's killing you to know you're a capitalist who chooses communism, isn't it?
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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It's killing you to know you're a capitalist who chooses communism, isn't it?
No.

I’m fine. I also know what capitalism and the free markets are and why it is promoted.

You mistakenly confuse businesses, international trade, and industrial mass production as people freely trading with each other.

The institutions that capitalism exists by are based on authority, control, and structured power.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What needs to happen in poor countries like South Africa and other poor African countries so that capitalism or market economics can help to reduce poverty in these countries? Can anyone give any examples of formerly poor countries that were able to improve their economies through capitalism? How did they do it?

The views here talk about how capitalism isn't benefiting South Africa.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FVCJ-NkRWI&t=332s



Capitalism and free markets work.
What we have lived under for the last 100 years and the passage of the 16th Amendment, is Crony Capitalism. Which is just a fancy name to justify Fascism.
Capitalism works. Government micro-managing it with a you scratch my back attitude with the power structure doesn't work for everyone. Only the chosen few that have greased palms.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Capitalism and free markets work.
What we have lived under for the last 100 years and the passage of the 16th Amendment, is Crony Capitalism. Which is just a fancy name to justify Fascism.
Capitalism works. Government micro-managing it with a you scratch my back attitude with the power structure doesn't work for everyone. Only the chosen few that have greased palms.
Capitalism is just a tool to organize society to create concentrated sectors of wealth to expand us imperialism.
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