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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Trump’s deal to reopen the Federal government for 3 weeks?
I’m happy with the deal 41 36.61%
It’s ok 50 44.64%
I’m unhappy with this deal 21 18.75%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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Artificial crisis? lol. I guess congress back in 2006 created an artificial crisis when they passed the wall bill with Schumer and Obama's signature on it?
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:00 AM
 
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McConnell also knows that there will be Republicans to flip (fearing re-election bids), especially ones not even near the border. I think he fears that they would move to override the veto with the Democrats. He knows the rules and the optics of as the President goes, the party follows is not bringing it to a vote.

Many people truly don't know how government works. Trump is one of them. He moaned and ******* about Obama resorting to executive orders, yet he used them a lot to bypass stalemate in Congress like with parts of Obamacare.

As for Trump, he is bluffing that he has an Ace but it really is a 2 with a white sticker covering the second icon. I imagine that if he uses the national emergency card, it too will get sued (as will much of the wall building since a good amount is on private land) and bogged down for a long time.
The one Republican ON the border - does not want the wall. Interesting, huh?
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:02 AM
 
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Likely going to find millions of undocumented workers in the shadows of tens of thousands of businesses and households. They are often times engaged by small businesses either as independent contractors or employees.

Most want to benefit off cheap labor and then turn around and blame the government for the consequences.

Even the handful of states that mandate eVerify, have intended loopholes to allow businesses to continue to employ undocumented people when they are contractors/day laborers. Sweet! Avoid Payroll taxes and labor laws and pay cash.

Illegal immigration became a tidal wave in the 80's and peaked in 2005/6. Has not mattered who sat the oval or held the majority, they all kicked the can. That was no accident. Way too many benefits from cheap labor.
When it comes right down to it, as always it is about the money.
They want the slave labor to keep coming but dont make us pay for anything else, like welfare, housing etc.
That is why they do not support e-verify and why they support making it easier for them to come in legally.

The chamber of commerce lobbied politicians to just make them all legal, problem solved.


The fact that employers continue to hire illegals speaks volumes on what they think about illegals.
You do not need government laws like e-verify or the wall if employers were serious about keeping illegals out.

Just like when we do not approve of a corporation, people shout, dont buy their products and they will go out of business.

So if we do not approve of illegals here, do not hire them.
But that is not what this is about as we see reality for what it is.

Keep the cheaper labor coming for the higher profits and lower pay, just do not make us pay for anything else.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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It is used but it isn't really effective, that is the issue with it. I mean the work around is doing business under the table and cash only, but that is breaking the law.
If they are breaking the law, we need to come down hard on them.
But then you get the ones that benefit from it making excuses for them.
They are job creators! Yea, for illegals.
It gives me more money in the stock market!

So they support theft by taking money that would have gone to American Workers.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Actually, illegal immigration became a tidal wave after NAFTA was enacted, in the early 90's, slowly ramping up over the 90's as the negative impacts took effect.
This is a good point.
When NAFTA passed, a lot of corporate farms took over in Mexico and Central America, killing the family farms there just like they did in the US in the 80s.
Shortly after, we were flooded with cheap workers from the south that had the rug pulled out from under them by greedy corporations.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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It became a tidal wave in the 80's and picked up steam until it peaked in 2005/6 with the housing bubble.

In response, the Immigration Reform Control Act of 1986 made it illegal to employ undocumented workers. It also gave amnesty and a pathway to citizenship to those who had already resided in the US for at least 5 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986
Corporate Lobbyists were behind the amnesty.
They did it again recently.

https://www.teaparty.org/top-corpora....QvjrBASz.dpuf

Top Corporate Executives Descend On Washington To Lobby For Amnesty…

(Bloomberg) - Evangelical pastors, corporate leaders, elected Republican officials and small-government activists arrive in Washington next week to lobby lawmakers to revamp U.S. immigration policies before year’s end.

The “conservative fly-in” will involve about 600 people and include personal meetings with at least 80 Republican members of Congress, said Ali Noorani, an organizer of the event and executive director of the National Immigration Forum.

Back when this was posted on the Tea Party Website in 2014, the comments section was full of people in support of this, and added the American Worker priced themselves out of the globalist market.
They supported illegal workers coming here.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Default How Trump Should Have Answered the Press About The Shutdown

If I were Trump I would have responded:

"Why is Congress keeping the government shut down over 5 Billion Dollars that would help the country by tightening security at the border? There are 6000 Central and South American migrants in Tijuana alone waiting to pour into the US illegally and that number will rise exponentially as thousands of Venezuelans flee their homeland every day. Congress has a problem with 5 billion dollars for a wall but they have no problem spending 14.7 billion in pork on their own pet projects that are designed solely to keep their constituents happy and them in office. Does anyone see a problem with this?"

http://www.maciverinstitute.com/2018...nce-last-year/
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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If I were Trump I would have responded:

"Why is Congress keeping the government shut down over 5 Billion Dollars that would help the country by tightening security at the border? There are 6000 Central and South American migrants in Tijuana alone waiting to pour into the US illegally and that number will rise exponentially as thousands of Venezuelans flee their homeland every day. Congress has a problem with 5 billion dollars for a wall but they have no problem spending 14.7 billion in pork on their own pet projects that are designed solely to keep their constituents happy and them in office. Does anyone see a problem with this?"

Report: Pork Spending in Federal Budget More than Doubled Since Last Year | MacIver Institute
Two points.

Congress is not keeping the government shut down. Trump is. He proudly proclaimed he wanted all the credit for the shutdown, and the country seems to agree that he owns it. So that's failure number one.

Secondly, Congress advocating for the voters who sent them there is what they are supposed to be doing. Congress advocating for a tiny minority who wants Trump's silly wall is not what they are supposed to be doing.

Fail all around.
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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If I were Trump I would have responded:

"Why is Congress keeping the government shut down over 5 Billion Dollars that would help the country by tightening security at the border? There are 6000 Central and South American migrants in Tijuana alone waiting to pour into the US illegally and that number will rise exponentially as thousands of Venezuelans flee their homeland every day. Congress has a problem with 5 billion dollars for a wall but they have no problem spending 14.7 billion in pork on their own pet projects that are designed solely to keep their constituents happy and them in office. Does anyone see a problem with this?"

Report: Pork Spending in Federal Budget More than Doubled Since Last Year | MacIver Institute
You don't know where Venezuela is do you?
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:44 AM
 
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Two points.

Congress is not keeping the government shut down. Trump is. He proudly proclaimed he wanted all the credit for the shutdown, and the country seems to agree that he owns it. So that's failure number one.

Secondly, Congress advocating for the voters who sent them there is what they are supposed to be doing. Congress advocating for a tiny minority who wants Trump's silly wall is not what they are supposed to be doing.

Fail all around.

Congress is responsible for kicking the can down the road for 40 years and its time they acted to do what they said they would do after the Reagan amnesty. No more amnesty. Deliver on a secured border that prevents and stops illegal entry to the greatest extent possible which includes a wall when and where necessary
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