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View Poll Results: Are you happy with Trump’s deal to reopen the Federal government for 3 weeks?
I’m happy with the deal 41 36.61%
It’s ok 50 44.64%
I’m unhappy with this deal 21 18.75%
Voters: 112. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-06-2019, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Wow, like, I think we all know what "can" be done. Going into law without the President's signature is not the same thing as a veto. The President's signature merely accelerates making it official. Anything passed by Congress becomes law unless the President issues a veto.
If Congress meets the next 10 days and has what half of its members there? Sorry I'm a little bit behind on pocket-veto.
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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Tea Partiers, like Trump supporters (and there is likely a large number who are both), are not very bright. They will support whatever they're told to support in the moment. If, in the next moment, they're told to switch their support to the other side, they do so easily and without any problem. When you lack the capacity for cognizant thought, it's easy to believe anything you're told to believe.
You just described all party loyalists...
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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Tea Partiers, like Trump supporters (and there is likely a large number who are both), are not very bright. They will support whatever they're told to support in the moment. If, in the next moment, they're told to switch their support to the other side, they do so easily and without any problem. When you lack the capacity for cognizant thought, it's easy to believe anything you're told to believe.
Rick Perry when gov of TX supported allowing illegals to come across to work in areas that Americans wouldn’t because the pay was so low
The Koch brothers support this
Plenty of big farming corporations support it
They NEED that cheap labor
Chicken plants need illegals
Plenty of others use them—in areas not just along the border—
Migrant illegals can be found in pretty much any state
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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And to think, Saint Ronnie signed that into law. Nowadays no conservative wouI'd be caught dead supporting a plan that includes amnesty and a path to citizenship.
"Saint Ronnie" you mean Reagan who was president before your time?

I was no fan of Reagan and wasn't happy when he did the 1986 amnesty. He agreed to it because the democrats promised the following items would happen; 1) This would be the one and only amnesty and there would never again be another one (We've since had several stealth amnesties); 2) The border would be secured (That never happened) and; 3) Illegals would never be able to find a job in the US as it would be illegal for them to hold a job (Currently, we have 8 million no-match SSNs in the workforce). So, in other words, the dems reneged on all their promises once the amnesty had passed.

Before Reagan was stricken with Alzheimer's he said he regretted the amnesty due to dems reneging on their promises. His regret was too little too late.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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Default Can't Congress reopen the government without Trump?

Like if he insists on wall money, but enough of the elephants defy him, that a override is more likely?
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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Never happen. Wouldn't even get 60 Senate votes for closure, nor a hearing in the Senate, let alone a 2/3rd vote.

I am sure a deal will happen in a few weeks with a few billion additional border security funding.

A compromise-more than liberals want, less than conservs want.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:54 PM
 
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Like if he insists on wall money, but enough of the elephants defy him, that a override is more likely?
Did you forget about the Jackasses, like Pelosi and Schumer?
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Trump has to sign the emergency spending bill into law to make the funds available.

If Congress passes the bill and Trump vetoes is, Congress can over-ride his veto. An over-ride requires a higher majority for passage, but it can, and has, been done in the past.

So it's all up to Trump. If he wants to make an Alamo out of the wall, he'll veto any bill that doesn't have wall funding. Since the government cannot stay closed down for long, a veto would likely cause a mutiny in the Republican ranks and would be over-ridden.

But there are ways a wall can be negotiated without all this. Trump has already floated a couple as trial balloons, when he said he would be satisfied with a 'steel slat wall', which is essentially a barrier, not a wall. He may also be satisfied with a fence, which is somewhere between a barrier and a wall.

But so far, when cornered into definition, Trump reverts back to saying he wants a wall, a big beautiful concrete solid wall. Congress is likely to accept a fence or a barrier, but not a big beautiful concrete wall.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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Congress is known for opening its mouth and talking a good game and lesser know for results.
It gets the ratings it deserves and its closer to single digits. With the new crop of nuters in the democrat party, that campaigned one way, and have outed themselves to govern in another way, low single digits should be within reach.
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:02 PM
 
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Mitch McConnell would ensure that never happens.
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