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Old 01-04-2019, 10:09 AM
 
Location: The 719
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Take drug abuse for instance. "US prescriptions of opiod drugs increased 300% between 1999 and 2008"

Doctors overprescribe drugs to their patients', they sell the access to the dealers, then it's on.

Back when the US removed the ingredient for Meth from shelves, the Mexican cartels took over.

Drug abuse has become a game of whack-a-mole.

Take D.C. for instance. They have so much security since 9-11, they are the most policed city on the planet. Meth, crack and heroin have been virtually removed. So cheap to make but still expensive to buy PCP took it's place, despite the fact that users strip down naked, get their guts slashed, and continue to try and kill people, while gouging their own eyes out. Folks, we got a problem.

Our problems are internal. The problem is not "out there". The problem is deep down within ourselves.

Take for example, your own beloved family member. Somewhere in your own midst, maybe under your own roof, or in your own immediate family, or extended family, or someone in your church, or other social circle, is a disgusting Trump supporter.

So, you would rather the stock market fail and the Nation in general to stumble just to keep Trump from getting a win.

The cartels are not who is killing your drug addicted aunt.

No, "Our troubles are of our own making."

I'm sober 15 years today. At least I've got that going for me. At no time have I found it necessary to flip off a liquor store, nor to solicit one.

Carry on.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not really sure where this is going but congratulations on 15 years of sobriety. That is an accomplishment!
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:13 AM
 
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First of all, congratulations on your sobriety.

I agree with most of what you said. The war on drugs has been a complete failure, as addiction is reaching epidemic levels nationwide over the last few years.

Most people didn't care about drug problems as long as it stayed within the inner-cities, but now, heroin and fentanyl have spread like wildfire into the suburbs and rural areas.

I'm not sure how to fix this problem, but gov't needs to step in and do something.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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First of all, congratulations on your sobriety.

I agree with most of what you said. The war on drugs has been a complete failure, as addiction is reaching epidemic levels nationwide over the last few years.

Most people didn't care about drug problems as long as it stayed within the inner-cities, but now, heroin and fentanyl have spread like wildfire into the suburbs and rural areas.

I'm not sure how to fix this problem, but gov't needs to step in and do something.
lmao...Why the government? Everyone is responsible for their own choices and if it's a family member it's also partly YOUR responsibility also. What do you want the government to do that you won't complain about? Arrest drug users you'll complain, send them to detox/rehab against their will you'll complain, try to stop the flow of drugs into the country by sanctions or security measures you'll complain, heavily police the streets you'll complain, they leave the addicts alone to their own fates you'll complain. What is that you want them to do???
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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There’s never one cause of a problem, and here we have several sources of why things are happening. We can blame ourselves, others, and the government but it’s never going to be fixed until we focus on “each” one of the sources.

Stop having adults on drugs they area a lost generation and the teenagers see adults enjoying drugs so they too want to be adults and start using drugs, alcohol, sex and the like. Adults need to cleanup their act.

Entertainers are a problem as well with their pathetic images they leave in the minds of teenagers who listen to their music, watch their shows and attempt to emulate them. Get the “disgusting” entertainers off the stage!

It took a generation or two to get where we are now so it’ll take another generation to turn it around. Adults have to start cleaning up their own act and be the role models that kids will lookup to.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Austin
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[snip]I'm sober 15 years today. [snip]
I have nothing about your post, but wanted to congratulate you on your sobriety. If anyone knows addiction and how hard it is to overcome, you do. Yet, sobriety can be accomplished! you prove it every day, "one day at a time".
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Austin
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First of all, congratulations on your sobriety.

I agree with most of what you said. The war on drugs has been a complete failure, as addiction is reaching epidemic levels nationwide over the last few years.

Most people didn't care about drug problems as long as it stayed within the inner-cities, but now, heroin and fentanyl have spread like wildfire into the suburbs and rural areas.

I'm not sure how to fix this problem, but gov't needs to step in and do something.
what do you propose government do?

I think some people are lost because they have no meaning in their lives, meaning and usefulness, that in the past was fulfilled by their religion, family, and community. I read recently this is the second year in a row life expectancy has declined, which is the first time this has happened in our recent history.

Government can't fix this problem.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:37 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Take drug abuse for instance. "US prescriptions of opiod drugs increased 300% between 1999 and 2008"

Doctors overprescribe drugs to their patients', they sell the access to the dealers, then it's on.

Back when the US removed the ingredient for Meth from shelves, the Mexican cartels took over.

Drug abuse has become a game of whack-a-mole.

Take D.C. for instance. They have so much security since 9-11, they are the most policed city on the planet. Meth, crack and heroin have been virtually removed. So cheap to make but still expensive to buy PCP took it's place, despite the fact that users strip down naked, get their guts slashed, and continue to try and kill people, while gouging their own eyes out. Folks, we got a problem.

Our problems are internal. The problem is not "out there". The problem is deep down within ourselves.

Take for example, your own beloved family member. Somewhere in your own midst, maybe under your own roof, or in your own immediate family, or extended family, or someone in your church, or other social circle, is a disgusting Trump supporter.

So, you would rather the stock market fail and the Nation in general to stumble just to keep Trump from getting a win.

The cartels are not who is killing your drug addicted aunt.

No, "Our troubles are of our own making."

I'm sober 15 years today. At least I've got that going for me. At no time have I found it necessary to flip off a liquor store, nor to solicit one.

Carry on.
15 years! Yay, McDog!

I couldn't agree with you more that our problems are often of our own making. As you know, I'm no fan of Trump, but I don't wish ill to happen to my country and my fellow Americans as a way of getting rid of the president*.

My hope is that enough voters - maybe someday even you - will come to recognize all the damage Trump is doing to our nation and vote him out in 2020. Let the will of the people be carried out - not that of the fat cat politicians.

As for America's addiction crisis, I once read that about 10% of the population have brain chemistries that make them vulnerable to addiction. If pills aren't available, they'll just turn to alcohol. If alcohol isn't available, they'll just use pot. If pot isn't available ... etc., ect.

The so-called war on drugs is working out about as well as prohibition did which was a fiasco. This is where I get mad over the nanny government thing. We are not going to solve the problem of addiction by locking up addicted Americans for x amount of time. I had a good friend who was able to stay sober and work a good job as long as he had to report to his probation officer. The moment he was no longer on probation, he went right out and got drunk and ended up killing himself. Thinking about him still brings tears to my eyes.

Our culture/society is so out of whack in these troubling times that one can only be surprised that more Americans don't turn to drugs or alcohol - taking something from the outside to make those dark feelings inside go away. It never works - not for any appreciable amount of time anyhow.

If we are serious about addressing the problem of addiction, we need to start treating people. If some folks need to stay in treatment for a year in order to get and stay sober, I say use the money to give them a hand up - not a hand out or a prison cell.

My small Colorado town has been heavily impacted by meth and opiates. My landlady's son is doing yet another stint in jail thanks to his addiction to meth - such a terrible waste.

We need to work together as both a society and a people to combat these things. Big brother government is NOT the answer to this one.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:39 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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People have choices in life. Slaves, not so much.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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Take drug abuse for instance. "US prescriptions of opiod drugs increased 300% between 1999 and 2008"

Doctors overprescribe drugs to their patients', they sell the access to the dealers, then it's on.

Back when the US removed the ingredient for Meth from shelves, the Mexican cartels took over.

Drug abuse has become a game of whack-a-mole.

Take D.C. for instance. They have so much security since 9-11, they are the most policed city on the planet. Meth, crack and heroin have been virtually removed. So cheap to make but still expensive to buy PCP took it's place, despite the fact that users strip down naked, get their guts slashed, and continue to try and kill people, while gouging their own eyes out. Folks, we got a problem.

Our problems are internal. The problem is not "out there". The problem is deep down within ourselves.

Take for example, your own beloved family member. Somewhere in your own midst, maybe under your own roof, or in your own immediate family, or extended family, or someone in your church, or other social circle, is a disgusting Trump supporter.

So, you would rather the stock market fail and the Nation in general to stumble just to keep Trump from getting a win.

The cartels are not who is killing your drug addicted aunt.

No, "Our troubles are of our own making."

I'm sober 15 years today. At least I've got that going for me. At no time have I found it necessary to flip off a liquor store, nor to solicit one.

Carry on.
Congratulations on your ongoing success. I truly respect that.

On the rest, you have certainly made some good points but I think that you misread the motivation of people who stand in opposition to Trump.

Yes, most of the current opponents of the Trump administration probably did not vote for him, but we as a nation have never in the past had a serious problem with a political opponent in the white house, unless that person is in some way defective beyond hope. I think Andrew Johnson was like that, and for different reasons Richard Nixon, not too many others or to such a degree.

In my lifetime there has never been a president elected who did not pivot toward being the president of all the people, and the people would give a new president a chance. Normally it has to do with policies and a willingness to work with both sides of the aisle for the greater good.

That can not happen this time, and it is entirely because of Trump himself. Yes, people will insult him, that is normal in politics, but he gives everyone too much ammunition.

It isn't that his stated policies are all so bad, some are and some are not. Most people can work with a lot of what he proposes.

The five (or is it six?) currently running investigations on Trump or his associations attest to the man's unsuitability. Trump was well known to be a bad egg before he ran for office, how bad no one could have guessed. He really surprised me.

No man is above the law. People who care about this country can not overlook this. We deserve to know the facts with unimpeded investigations into all of these questionable issues. The people who occupy the highest offices in the land should deserve our trust. We must have justice in our republic.
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