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Old 01-07-2019, 05:14 AM
 
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After reading Trumps lies

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...s-2018-n949121

Then seeing this video with Trump claiming to be an expert on virtually everything

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/01/h...himself-expert


Then you read about his mental health evaluation


Thousands of mental health professionals agree with Woodward and the New York Times op-ed author: Trump is dangerous

It is painfully obvious that Trump is a pathetic, compulsive liar whose actions are far too dangerous for him to remain in office. He is a threat not only to the USA but world stability.
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Old 01-07-2019, 05:18 AM
 
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And the employers who hire illegal immigrants to work at low wages, with no benefits and who don't often ever collect Social Security benefits, to which they have made contributions, make billions of extra money on them. Our economy, especially in agriculture, would be severely reduced without those workers.
All in complete violation of NAFTA and NAFTA 2 rules by the by ….but Golly that Canada was so mean to you by charging an "agreed to" tariff on "subsidized and dumped" dairy products.


"Trump the moron"; the gift that just keeps on giving.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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How are the facts brainwashing. Besides we have more US citizens that are criminals.
I wonder what you mean by facts, as you are either being obtuse, or actually denying that a decent number of illegal aliens do not come hear to work(especially OTM's), and instead turn to social welfare and/or crime rather than toil doing various hard labor type of jobs.
So which is it?

As to the absurd argument that we have more citizen criminals than illegal alien criminals, do you really take some comfort in that thinking.
For example and God forbid, lets say an illegal alien is driving without a licence and comes from a country with little to no traffic controls. He runs a stop sign, T-bones your car, killing a child of yours. Despite many citizens who are bad drivers and pose a threat, your child would be alive if not for the illegal alien that should not be in this country.
Do you honestly think you would make the argument at his hearing that him being illegal shouldn't be a factor, because America has plenty of bad citizen drivers?

Before you pontificate and try to say such things are not a widespread problem, it is an actual problem for everyone who it happens to, and a threat to us all.
An actual friend of mine had that exact same thing happen, only it was not his child that was killed, it was him.
One block from his home he was hit by an illegal alien who ran a stop sign and killed him. In court he claimed he didn't understand English, so didn't know what STOP meant. He was not drunk or on drugs, just didn't know how to drive properly.
So my buddy who was a child himself at 16, and the only child of his parents, was hit and killed by someone not in the country legally.
Otherwise my friend would not have died that day, and likely went on to live a normal life. Instead he is just a forgotten statistic, and his elderly parents became shells of themselves without future grandchildren to look forward to.

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Old 01-07-2019, 07:14 AM
 
Location: NC
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Cant help it. But all I can think of based on the title of the thread is that Trump is a refugee from the island of misfit toys.
and all I can think of is Justin Timberlake on SNL, and mushrooms. I'm not at all happy about this.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:17 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Headline story today.

Right off the boat, it starts off with two interesting points - first that, as I've said, there was a deliberate ploy to whip up public frenzy over the minor issue of immigration, and, second, the implication is that Trump may be so fixated on the idea of a wall because he thinks of himself as a builder. That latter point makes particular sense, because Trump's thinking it so limited, so narrow, that it stands to reason he can only think about something tangible, not about concepts, like poverty or civil rights.


How the Border Wall Is Boxing Trump In
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis and Peter Baker

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/u...ype=collection

"Minor issue of immigration"? It's estimated we have between 20 & 30 MILLION illegals in the country.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:20 AM
 
Location: NC
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Check the cost to the US for illegal immigration. There is nothing minor about this issue.
That may be a true statement, but it really is barely relevant to a wall. It has been proven time and time again that the wall is not the best way to fix the problem, not even in the top 3. Most illegals enter and overstay. Most people who come to the border are not running FROM border security, they are running TO them. They want to get "caught" so they can be legally processed. Trump is trying to hinder that process to create a problem that is bigger than it is.



I will agree that a wall is needed in some areas. In most of those areas, it's already there. But if you want meaningful change to the problem if illegal immigration, then focus on the real issues.
-Go after people who employ illegals
-reform the outdated immigration system
-process people who come here, and either admit them, or send them away (based on the laws)


It's not that we don't care about illegal immigration. It's exactly the opposite. We want EFFECTIVE ways to deal with it. The wall is symbolic, but not effective.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:24 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by ditchoc View Post
After reading Trumps lies

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...s-2018-n949121

Then seeing this video with Trump claiming to be an expert on virtually everything

https://crooksandliars.com/2019/01/h...himself-expert


Then you read about his mental health evaluation


Thousands of mental health professionals agree with Woodward and the New York Times op-ed author: Trump is dangerous

It is painfully obvious that Trump is a pathetic, compulsive liar whose actions are far too dangerous for him to remain in office. He is a threat not only to the USA but world stability.
You poor thing. It's clearly you who needs the mental health evaluation.

World Stability:
- Trump brokered peace on the Korean peninsula.
- Trump brokered peace between the Israelis & the Saudis/UAE/Egypt/Kuwait et al.
- Trump's pulling us out of Syria.
- Trump's withdrawing from Afghanistan.

US Stability:
- Unemployment at historic lows
- Wages for low earners on the rise for 1st time in a decade
- Gas is cheap
- Cut taxes on the middle and working classes
- Renegotiated better trade deals with Mexico & Canada.
- Renegotiated better trade deal with the EU.
- Renegotiated better trade deal with South Korea.
- Renegotiated better trade deal with Japan.
- Renegotiating better trade deal with China. Nothing is more important to US stability.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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And the democrats are trying to turn the country permanently blue with their open borders policy so that the republican candidate will never win another election. That doesn't fly, in my book.
No one, including you, has proven that we support open borders. The fact that we are against supporting Trump's ridiculous wall (which is a $5 billion+ monument to his ego) does NOT mean we support open borders. So by all means, show us evidence that any Democrats supports an open borders policy. You can't because they don't.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:29 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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That may be a true statement, but it really is barely relevant to a wall. It has been proven time and time again that the wall is not the best way to fix the problem, not even in the top 3. Most illegals enter and overstay. Most people who come to the border are not running FROM border security, they are running TO them. They want to get "caught" so they can be legally processed. Trump is trying to hinder that process to create a problem that is bigger than it is.



I will agree that a wall is needed in some areas. In most of those areas, it's already there. But if you want meaningful change to the problem if illegal immigration, then focus on the real issues.
-Go after people who employ illegals
-reform the outdated immigration system
-process people who come here, and either admit them, or send them away (based on the laws)


It's not that we don't care about illegal immigration. It's exactly the opposite. We want EFFECTIVE ways to deal with it. The wall is symbolic, but not effective.
There are multiple facets to fixing our illegal immigration problem. The wall is just one of them, but it does need to be addressed and no one else has had the nuts to do it.

In addition to the wall/fence/barrier/whatevs, we had to address the Central American asylum loophole, which Trump has done.

We need to crack down on the employers who're hiring the illegals.

We need to end sanctuary states/cities that shield murderers, rapists, cartel and gang members from the law of the land.

We need to streamline the temporary worker visa process.

We need to streamline the immigration process in general. If it was more efficient and cheaper, perhaps more people would apply the right way.

Again, border crossings are not the only problem, but they are definitely a problem, and must be addressed. Build the wall.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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I wish he was in a pine box.
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