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Old 01-12-2019, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Brew City
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Mehh Still beats the private sector today where you could spend YEARS looking for a quality job with good benefits, and be unemployed in all that time. . This shutdown won't last that long

What the fed workers are going through now, has been happing for the last 25-30 years in the private sector
Really? People in the private sector have been forced to work w/o pay over the past 25-30 years? This is news to me.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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That is because Reagan fired ATC who didn't return to work in five days. Conservatives and libertarians already want it to be privatized, this gives them the opportunity to do so.
If it was privatized, then workers can go on strike and form unions and the business class travelers would suffer. I think ATC is one area they want the government to own and enforce like the military where they have no say.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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So if we privatize it, it becomes free?

Or do we waste billions like we did in Iraq while fattening the wallets of Halliburton, black water, and KBR?

It gets paid for either way.
This is a good point.
If ATC becomes privatized, tax payers should not be on the hook to fund it.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:38 PM
 
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All hell will break loose if air travel were permanently frozen until the government reopened and starting paying people again. And no, you couldn't just hire a brand new batch of noobs off the street to do the job, because you need people with experience, as ATCs are in charge of millions of lives per year. You could try to bring in the military to do it, but then you'd be wasting huge national defense resources for civilian efforts. Meanwhile Russia could just easily fly in fighter planes over our territory due to the distraction of the military towards civilian aviation.
If we privatized ATC, they would bring in H1B's from India that would do it on the cheap and soon after planes would be falling out of the sky.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Austin
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It must be financially very hard for those workers not being paid during this government shutdown. Anyone who can't sympathize with these people's situation must have a heart of stone.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:42 PM
 
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All White House helpers - cooks, janitors, landscape crew, the guy who keeps Trumps TV sets working, should all be part of the furlough. Trump should feel the same pain as everyone else. Let him clean his own toilet and do his own dishes.
This is a good point.
When the government shuts down.
EVERYTHING needs to shutdown, federal workers and military members are allowed leave until it is resolved.

This selective shutdown is a joke since the ones that need to wipe the elites behind and protect their interests are forced to work.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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100% wrong. Those Air Traffic Controllers signed contracts stating they would not go on strike. Then they did go on strike. Reagan was right to fire them.
All contracts are reneged on all the time across this country when it comes to the business class so I have no problem with it when the worker class does it.

Got no money for worker promises or pensions, no problem, declare bankruptcy while the suits walk away millionaires. We see this all the time.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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Id be curious what would happen if the border patrol, Immigration Passport control, and Coast Guard just all of a sudden disappeared in unison? And left the borders wide open.
I guess Trump would soon find out instead of getting his wall built, his tantrums and bad decisions just left his borders wide open and removed any barrier stopping those caravan or other people he hate or any type of border protection whatsoever. That would teach him a lesson. As he doesn't feed the ones that who help secure the border every day. Insulting these guys who help him secure the border for free to hold garage sales or mystery shop is such a joke.

Think of Firing them! good luck trying to hire all these replacement and retraining them timely especially for slave labor job with no pay at all.

I am surprised people today still sheepishly tolerate slave labor.
I would be curious whether Trump would declare martial law and have the national guard take over instead. Id be curious whether the military is paid during the shutdown.
Contract or not, if you are not getting paid, you walk off the job.
If the one person does it, too bad for him since they will come down on him.
If millions do it, then we get into a different ball game.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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The problem is, Individual 1 doesn’t care about anyone other than himself. He lacks the compassion needed for this tactic to be effective. You can tell by his cold responses when asked how he feels about the people working without pay.

“They support me.”

Individual 1 lacks human empathy. If everyone strikes, they’ll hurt only themselves and the rest of non-sociopathic Americans.
Chuck and Nancy seem to care more about keeping Trump from having a victory than these federal workers.

The worst they can come up with is the wall is a waste of money and ineffective. Like the Democrats have ever cared about wasting money before.

The wall is all too effective, which is why they refuse to let it be built.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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Any employee who wishes to quit is free to do so. 312,000 new jobs last month. Great time to join the productive private sector. We hire only essential employees btw.
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