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Old 01-12-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Cali
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No, it's Congress's job to fund the government. Trump is overstepping his executive powers by attempting to grab powers that are not his. He should not be rewarded for this by involving the third branch of government in his attempts to control another branch he should have no control over in the first place.

Separation of powers were written into the Constitution to avoid this very thing. Someone needs to educate our very dim-witted president on this fact.
Obama had government shut down for 16 days.

Clinton was 21 days.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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I agree with you there--if Trump had the support from the GOP, it would have been done when they were in full control of Congress.



That being said, I think you're wrong about the SCOTUS on this one. Generally speaking they give Presidents more latitude to exercise these types of powers, especially in cases like these where they have little or nothing to reference it by; they are far more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt--In their eyes, I think rejecting it would set a bad precedent for other future Presidents to declare a national emergency.
You have that backwards. Rejecting it would set a good precedent for other future presidents not to invent "emergencies" to get their way over Congress.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:52 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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The Federal Government is in a deadlock over the issue of the the Mexican Border Wall. The President of your Country and Republicans are completely in support of the Wall to secure our border from illegal entry. Democrats are completely opposed to it.

The only way to break this deadlock as far as I can see is for President Trump to declare a national emergency to fund the Wall. The Democrats will naturally fight the President on this move.

So, should the U.S. Supreme Court be the final arbiter on whether or not the Wall is built? Their decision will set a precedent for all future Presidents to do what they need to do on our National Border to ensure the security of our Country.
The answer is no. The POTUS cannot declare a bogus national emergency just because he can't get his own way and wants to circumvent Congress.

If this were truly a national emergency, why didn't Trump and the Republicans do something about it for the past TWO YEARS when there was both a Republican POTUS and a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate? Why is it suddenly an emergency at this point in time when Democrats have just regained control of the House?

One can't help but think that this government shutdown over a bogus emergency is nothing more than Trump's latest attempt at creating a diversion in an attempt to avoid being called to account for his myriad crimes.

Congress should decide on funding for national security projects like the damned wall. That's their job, not the Courts.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:54 AM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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You have that backwards. Rejecting it would set a good precedent for other future presidents not to invent "emergencies" to get their way over Congress.
Nope, expert analysis says otherwise--even according to the NYTs.

If they were to reject the claim--then it's more likely that in future events and in the need to declare a national emergency, an opposing party could challenge it in court and win thereby harming the security of the country. That would set a bad precedent.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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Nope, expert analysis says otherwise--even according to the NYTs.

If they were to reject the claim--then it's more likely that in future events and in the need to declare a national emergency, an opposing party could challenge it in court and win thereby harming the security of the country. That would set a bad precedent.
So it's your contention that any president should be allowed to create any phony emergency he wants in order to get his way? Is that seriously what you are arguing for here? Because that's what is happening right now.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:57 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The Federal Government is in a deadlock over the issue of the the Mexican Border Wall. The President of your Country and Republicans are completely in support of the Wall to secure our border from illegal entry. Democrats are completely opposed to it.

The only way to break this deadlock as far as I can see is for President Trump to declare a national emergency to fund the Wall. The Democrats will naturally fight the President on this move.

So, should the U.S. Supreme Court be the final arbiter on whether or not the Wall is built? Their decision will set a precedent for all future Presidents to do what they need to do on our National Border to ensure the security of our Country.
NO!


The scotus is not charged with doing the job of the legislature!


Like a mom picking up after the irresponsible adult son.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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No, it's Congress's job to fund the government. Trump is overstepping his executive powers by attempting to grab powers that are not his. He should not be rewarded for this by involving the third branch of government in his attempts to control another branch he should have no control over in the first place.

Separation of powers were written into the Constitution to avoid this very thing. Someone needs to educate our very dim-witted president on this fact.

Exactly. Great post. Trump has no right to demand money for something that most of America does not want.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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no, not their job
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:00 AM
 
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demand money for something that most of America does not want.

how do you know america doesnt want it?
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Old 01-12-2019, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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If republicans were in complete support they’d have approved the spending in the past two years.

Send it to the Supreme Court so they can shoot it down, that’s fine. No president has the power to do what you think he should. It’s not about the border wall, it’s about constraints on power. The whole reason we have separate branches.



Remember, the Supreme Court is not likely to take Trump's personality into account when deciding the issue.

And seeing how there's already been legislation passed by Congress that gives him the power to do exactly what he's talking about.....

You may want to be careful what you wish for.
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