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Unsolicited responses. I ask real human being Canadians that I meet what they think of the Canadian health care.
EVERY ONE that I ask states that they like it. All have a positive response. Meeting Canadians visiting North Caroline to Arizona. To Canadian bikers attending Sturgess. ALL like and approve of the Canadian health care.
They like and appreciate that they can see a medical professional right away if needed. Yes, right away.
Now lets move on to specialists. Yes, there is a waiting time for specialists in Canada. There IS a waiting time to see a specialist in the United States.
As for quoting statistics from the Frazer Institute:
"It is important to note that these surveys do not report the actual wait time, but reflect estimates by patients (CCHS) or specialist physicians (Fraser Institute). Both are subject to recall bias, and the Fraser Institute's survey has a response rate of only 16%, raising questions about its bias." LINK
Statistically Canadians live longer then those who live in the United States. Must be the air, eh?
I'm hearing wildly disparate accounts about how Canadians say they feel about their healthcare. I'm starting to think they just tell people what they think they want to hear. You can usually tell what side of the issue someone is on when they are asking about it, and they just adjust their answer accordingly because they have no interest in getting in to an argument with an American over it.
Two things each of us can due to reduce medical costs. Neither costs a dime, but both require personal responsibility:
1) maintain a healthy weight. 2/3 of the country is overweight or obese. Obesity is strongly tied to Type 2 diabetes, many types of cancer, and other long-term (expensive) health issues.
2) do some type of daily, moderate exercise approved by our doctor. exercises maintains healthy heart, joints, muscles, bones. Inactivity is strongly tied to multiple, long-term, expensive health issues.
There are other things we can do, but if we all did the above two things, we would be a much healthier nation.
There you go with that personal responsibility thing again.
Its outrageous that on a per person basis the US spends double what UK or other developed nations. Despite this we still have 30 million uninsured americans. I know americans are afraid of socialism, but I'm looking for honest suggestions or are we doomed? https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...-amount-health
Discourage illegal immigration and build the wall for one. Liberals demand we give the five star medical treatment to even illegal aliens like with the two illegal kids who died because their parents exposed them to the elements when dragging them on their trek.
Illegals almost all lack insurance and don't pay enough taxes to pay for what they get in Medicaid, and we need to end birthright citizenship. Illegals often use hospital ERs as their primary care doctors too and they and their anchor babies are a net drain on US healthcare.
Swiss healthcare is very expensive, as indeed is Dutch Healthcare, which also relies much more heavly on the the private sector and on private health insurers.
Rising health costs and premiums are the subject of much debate in Switzerland.
The numbers for the cost of the Swiss health care are 12.1 of GDP.
The numbers for the cost of USA health care are 17.9 of GDP.
HELLO. Wake up and smell the roses. SWITZERLAND IS MUCH CHEAPER ! ! !
And Switzerland is a PRIVATE company health care country. What are the Swiss doing better that keeps the cost down to 12.1 of GDP that the USA is NOT doing at 17.9 of GDP? Hello !
AND - everyone in Switzerland is covered. Everyone. Get it?
Most developed countries have universal healthcare, but the Americans don't want that.
There is an alternative.
This will be a very unpopular opinion, but the fastest way to do it would be if insurance companies were eliminated and if hospitals only treat those who could prove they had enough liquid funds upfront to pay for the treatment. No loans. No paying later. Pay now or get out.
Hospitals would learn fast to lower their prices or see no business. Of course, it takes time for the supply side to respond appropriately to the demand side, so people would unnecessarily die in the meantime. It wouldn't be pretty, but it'd get the job done.
I think that part of your income goes to the common good of this country, just like a part of mine does. And then we both benefit from that - roads, schools, safe food, clean air, military, police, etc. I happen to believe one of those services the US should provide is healthcare. I think it sucks that healthcare has gotten so expensive that many people can no longer afford it. I see no reason why poor people should suffer just because of bad luck.
If you genuinely believe you are entitled to a portion of what I earn, why bother hiding behind politicians, laws, regulations and the force of government to get that portion of what I earn? Why don't you pony up and come to my door with your gun in hand, demanding I pay or else you'll kill me? The latter position cannot be argued to be anything but armed robbery and theft... so how does a group of elected people deciding to do the same thing under the guise of government not constitute armed robbery and theft?
Since you proclaim a RIGHT to a portion of what I earn, for the common good of the country, then you undoubtedly consider me a slave who must do as you demand rather than a free person who owns their own mind and body as well as owns the products and labor created by that mind and body.
Tell me... by what right do you look at me and what I have created or produced via my mind and body and proclaim that you are entitled to ANY portion of it? Are you my master or ruler? Do I have masters or rulers? Did I ever agree to have any masters or rulers? I do not recall ever agreeing to such nonsense... so by what right do you demand anything of me or anyone else? By what right do you proclaim I must pay you or you'll lock me in a cage or worse yet kill me. Who granted you this right and authority over me or anyone else, much less everyone else?
The authority We The People GRANTED government is extremely limited and enumerated. The fact that people like you bastardize what those enumerated powers are by playing word games and attempting to either change what the respective federal or State Constitutions say or worse yet, just proclaiming a right to anything that must be paid for by another does not change the FACT that your attempts to hide behind the government while demanding they commit your armed robbery and outright theft shows you and people like you for who you really are.
The question by texan2yankee was spot on and should be answered. After all, it appears you believe you have a right to what they have earned.
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Originally Posted by texan2yankee so how much of the money I earned from my labor do you think is owed to you?
I'm hearing wildly disparate accounts about how Canadians say they feel about their healthcare. I'm starting to think they just tell people what they think they want to hear. You can usually tell what side of the issue someone is on when they are asking about it, and they just adjust their answer accordingly because they have no interest in getting in to an argument with an American over it.
Well here then is some further information of a non-anecdotal form:
One comment made by an American company executive: “We don’t see our employees taking leaves to travel to the U.S. to get medical treatment,” he laughed.
"Hunt scoffed at claims made by some American free-market health care advocates that Canadians don’t like their single-payer system. He noted that the Canadian system has survived many decades of conservative government at the national and provincial level, and has never been seriously threatened. He explained this broader support across party lines compared to the situation in the U.S., where even the relatively modest ACA reforms pushed through by President Obama are now under threat by Republicans: “In Canada we have the attitude, liberals and conservatives alike, that everyone should have the right to affordable medical care.”
Our taxes would go up, but with insurance we are already paying outrageous prices for everyone else as well as the moneychangers.
The Koch Bros funded a study to estimate UHC system in US, and came up with a very large looking number. They used that large number to argue UHC was a bad idea, but little did they know that the number they had was smaller than what we currently pay. So, they accidentally made the case for UHC system, not against it.
ER is required to stabilize a patient. That is not the same as treating a patient.
That an ER is required to stabilize does not mean, it will not bill for service.
Sure. We were talking about ER specifically.
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