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Ever see a petite one handle herself in a hospice with a psychotic person ... ? I have ... technique, they have it.
I haven't seen what you described but I have seen petite gals subdue rank horses and handily wrestle calves and steers. A rank horse that's fighting you is no twinky thing and neither are cattle of any size. My Son's boss is currently off work due to a young calf kicking him and taking out his knee.
As you say, technique. With men and women both the realization that livestock is bigger and stronger and if you try to go up against an animal with pure muscle to muscle you WILL lose. Often very badly with serious injury involved. It's classic brain over brawn and rope is your best friend.
Personally I think that horse and cattle women(i.e. Cowgirls) are the toughest women out there. And with brains to match.
Many of those historical movies tell downright lies, but never state so ever. 'The Patriot' is an example. The scene showing the burning of a church full of colonial civilians never happened. All you get is, oh we're just trying to tell an exciting story. I would think Americans seeing such nonsense would believe it to be true.
So Americans are so stupid that we can't even tell a fictional movie directed by Roland Emmerich apart from historical reality???? Get out of here with that stupid nonsense. Most Americans are not dumb enough to watch a movie, and assume everything in it is true, any more so than a Brit would.
2. You don't "make up for it" (at least not individual citizens...the gov't has already done too much to try to counter the past and in doing so has mistakenly trounced on other races/genders)...you try to move forward and make things better/accepted while attempting to keep race, etc. out of it. NOT by now trying to "even up" the score by favoring one race, gender, orientation while beating down or undercutting another (the most popular for a while now - white males)....and that's EXACTLY what is happening and why certain groups (again - mostly white males) are feeling disenfranchised & piled on.....wonder why Trump won?? Trying to "find" someone or a group to blame for past ills and targeting them as the villains never works....it just transfers the anger & animosity to that group or side and creates more/future problems.
^^^^^^This. Our Media, and Entertainment Industry is OVER COMPENSATING for perceived past wrongs, with the portrayal of women, and minorities. Was their things in the past that men did that were wrong? Of course. But to attempt to portray all men the way Hollywood, and corporate advertisers portray men today is laughable. It is if to uplift women they have to bring down men. It is very condescending to women, and blatantly unfair to men.
So Americans are so stupid that we can't even tell a fictional movie directed by Roland Emmerich apart from historical reality???? Get out of here with that stupid nonsense. Most Americans are not dumb enough to watch a movie, and assume everything in it is true, any more so than a Brit would.
Well, in fairness to our English pal history is a subject that has become obscure and/or skewed in the US educational establishment. When my son was in school US history was started in the 1960s other than one good teacher who was not there long who actually went through our periods in detail. My Civil War reenactor buddies and I did a good demonstration and in character presentation for him once.
But many younger people these days can't even tell you the difference between WW1 and 2 have no clue about the war of 1812 let alone the Revolution, they may know a smattering of the Civil War but only that it was fought over slavery and nothing else, on and on. That an incident in a movie like the described church burning could easily be bought off on as real history is not so far fetched.
Maybe not so much for people like you and I but real historical knowledge is getting rare.
Well, in fairness to our English pal history is a subject that has become obscure and/or skewed in the US educational establishment. When my son was in school US history was started in the 1960s other than one good teacher who was not there long who actually went through our periods in detail. My Civil War reenactor buddies and I did a good demonstration and in character presentation for him once.
But many younger people these days can't even tell you the difference between WW1 and 2 have no clue about the war of 1812 let alone the Revolution, they may know a smattering of the Civil War but only that it was fought over slavery and nothing else, on and on. That an incident in a movie like the described church burning could easily be bought off on as real history is not so far fetched.
Maybe not so much for people like you and I but real historical knowledge is getting rare.
I hear what you're saying, and I don't disagree. Our educational system is certainly lacking in many areas. There is a difference in having historical knowledge, and believing everything one sees in a movie though. It is a well known fact that "based on a true story", "based on real events", and the like, does not mean 100% true. It is still a movie, after all. In any event, The Patriot uses real people as the characters IIRC, but as far as know never claimed to be a documentary or "based on real events". If so, it would only be very loosely based.
I would assume that the vast majority of Americans young and old know this. The ones that don't are the same ones who believe everything they see on the internet, and they are in every country.
Well, in fairness to our English pal history is a subject that has become obscure and/or skewed in the US educational establishment. When my son was in school US history was started in the 1960s other than one good teacher who was not there long who actually went through our periods in detail. My Civil War reenactor buddies and I did a good demonstration and in character presentation for him once.
But many younger people these days can't even tell you the difference between WW1 and 2 have no clue about the war of 1812 let alone the Revolution, they may know a smattering of the Civil War but only that it was fought over slavery and nothing else, on and on. That an incident in a movie like the described church burning could easily be bought off on as real history is not so far fetched.
Maybe not so much for people like you and I but real historical knowledge is getting rare.
We studied history when I was at school, and it was one of my favourite subjects. English history is a long, and interesting one.
As far as I can tell, it is no longer studied in depth. I have seen shows on the telly where English kids are incredibly ignorant on this subject nowadays.
I think I can credibly guarantee that a majority of English kids would have no idea at all that there was a War of Independence between us. Not that we studied it in depth, but at least my generation knew there was one!
That sums up what many of us have been pointing out regarding the socialist engineering and liberal brainwashing that says identity politics must mean total equality in numbers, outcomes, and anything less must stem from ______ism, _______phobia, etc.
As to "firsts being celebrated", I seriously think people who look at things in that way are deluded. The first woman I vote for to be president will have ZERO to do with her gender, and will be based on my belief she will do a better job than her opponent (regardless of gender).
The same with a minority.
While I understand some will be "celebrating" the first XYZ (like they did with Obama), it is irrelevant if the person is not up to the job.
I was no McCain fan, but no one can claim Obama was more qualified or a better leader than McCain.
The group that works to get women elected to various posts is a prime example of looking at gender first, and everything else second.
That is no way to go about getting the best and brightest people for the job.
As to the overall theme of the thread, rest assured women are physically inferior to men in most aspects, and cannot compete on the same level. That is part of the reason everyone is watching the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL instead of women attempting to play those sports.
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I'm tempted to have this exchange with you because at least you seem more mature and reasoned about your perspective, but let me correct some of your assumptions about my perspective. Please...
First off, and this is a big one very typically misrepresented as you do, this notion that my opinion and/or position is in any way "socialist" or meaning "total equality" is just wrong. Very wrong. You are so badly misrepresenting my thinking almost to the point of being insulting. Like this about explaining that women are physically inferior to men. Simply moronic to take my comments and feel the need to explain any of that. I am replying anyway (after enjoying an amazing day of football yesterday involving no women).
You demonstrate such a lack of understanding about these issues revolving around racism, sexism, etc., that I'm at a loss where or how to even begin, but your personal anecdotes or attitudes are not what these problems are all about! At least TRY to understand this alternative perspective objectively, without all your pre-conceived notions about what I'm really talking about.
I'm out of time right now, so let me just conclude by explaining that although you might vote for a woman or a black man, lots of people won't. You/we simply can't ignore the fact that too many people won't, ARE racist. We also can't ignore the challenges that "protected classes" face every day, simply to achieve parity with what typical white males enjoy. Parity in these regards does not mean equal in terms of results (pay, status, etc), but opportunity, respect, no disadvantages simply because POC are prejudiced against. That's what equality means for women too! Equal opportunity to be considered like white males take for granted. That's the effort that EVENTUALLY might give woman and POC better representation and opportunity over time, as less and less prejudice against them stands in their way.
Not that they be equal in all respects, especially in terms of physicality for goodness sakes! Again that's a gross misrepresentation of my thinking that seems a very weak effort to detract from what racism and sexism is all about. Of course there will always be men's sports and women's sports for a reason, obviously!
What I'm talking about, however, is parity in terms of equal consideration free of sexist or racist attitudes. None of that will happen over night, certainly not when so many people still think talent and smarts is a function of sex or skin color, but AT A MINIMUM, we should flush out the elements of racism and bigotry that still stand in the way of people who don't have what white males take for granted in the way of these opportunities, considerations.
So..., big deal Hollywood portrays these people in a more positive light that might slowly change those backward ways of thinking? Compared to the status quo attitudes that have held them back for so long and still do? Forget your personal anecdotes. Simply look at all the prevailing statistics and give it a rest already.
Got a problem watching other than males as heros? Check out the Mission Impossible movies, Danzel Washington movies are a good bet. Most war movies. Hell most movies are still dominated by strong male role models far as I can tell, and I see a lot of all kinds of movies. Big deal other than white males are showcased too.
As you wish of course. Stick to the male macho movies and avoid your heartburn, but get in a twist because others are starting to share some of that front-and-center opportunity too? That not too long ago was non-existent altogether because of racism and sexism, prejudice and bigotry? Really? Maybe now even a bit beyond "equal representation" if in fact that's even the case? Tell me you're not an older white male?
Might as well be Standard Oil Company back in the day complaining about allowing competition, or Heaven forbid let woman vote too.
RECOMMENDATION: Go see the movie "Green Book," and "Hidden Figures." Then get back to me about how we're "over doing" anything today...
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Ever see a petite one handle herself in a hospice with a psychotic person ... ? I have ... technique, they have it.
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I haven't seen what you described but I have seen petite gals subdue rank horses and handily wrestle calves and steers. A rank horse that's fighting you is no twinky thing and neither are cattle of any size. My Son's boss is currently off work due to a young calf kicking him and taking out his knee.
As you say, technique. With men and women both the realization that livestock is bigger and stronger and if you try to go up against an animal with pure muscle to muscle you WILL lose. Often very badly with serious injury involved. It's classic brain over brawn and rope is your best friend.
Personally I think that horse and cattle women(i.e. Cowgirls) are the toughest women out there. And with brains to match.
omg ... I totally forgot about the cowgirls. And yes, I have seen that too. Totally an amazing sight.
When in college we had a field trip to a hospice for psychology class ... and I spent a couple years as a security person at a major rodeo arena in Texas ... I am jealous as I am a petite person with a fantasy, that I love to watch in film, that which I was never able to do, in RL, what others obviously with a bit of training can.
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) are the toughest women out there. And with brains to match.
I liked the bride wrestler. Keeps house by day, and wrestles by night........
