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Every other country that has Universal Healtcare, in some sort, spends 1/2 of what the US does on healthcare... and getting better results then the FOR profitt system in America.
So 40 other countries manages to run successful programs, keeping costs in check and giving people the help they need.. but, in America, nothing the government does, works.. right?
We where all lucky you did not run the space program... defeatism seems to run in the blood of the Far Right.
1. U.S. $10,029 per capita.
2. Switzerland $8,009 per capita
3. Luxembourg $7,048 per capita.
The inability to do math and take the thought process to the next level seems to run in the blood of the nanny staters who love it when big government runs their life. Maybe because they, like many Americans, are too busy shoveling food down their gullet instead of living a healthier life? But government will take care of me right? It costs more because as a nation we are loaded with unhealthy people.
Obesity rate
12 United States 36.2%
74 Luxembourg 22.6%
112 Switzerland 19.5%
1. U.S. $10,029 per capita.
2. Switzerland $8,009 per capita
3. Luxembourg $7,048 per capita.
The inability to do math and take the thought process to the next level seems to run in the blood of the nanny staters who love it when big government runs their life. Maybe because they, like many Americans, are too busy shoveling food down their gullet instead of living a healthier life? But government will take care of me right? It costs more because as a nation we are loaded with unhealthy people.
Obesity rate
12 United States 36.2%
74 Luxembourg 22.6%
112 Switzerland 19.5%
The inability to consider that those other countries are covering every single member of their citizenry while the U.S. is still unable to do so. Consider what it would be costing under the present system if every American were actually covered to the same degree. You would no longer be looking at a per-capita rate of a paltry $10K. Millions of Americans are getting no care whatsoever.
The inability to consider that those other countries are covering every single member of their citizenry while the U.S. is still unable to do so. Consider what it would be costing under the present system if every American were actually covered to the same degree. You would no longer be looking at a per-capita rate of a paltry $10K. Millions of Americans are getting no care whatsoever.
The ones that don't want it, don't purchase it. The poor would be covered once they go into an emergency room.
The problem is the government run current system. Consider what it would be costing under the present system if every American didn't have to deal with e crony capitalism that makes costs go up. From the regulations that discourages competition to the sky high government mandated cost of pharmaceuticals.
The inability to consider the fact that as a nation, we are unhealthy. The fact that unhealthy people are a bigger risk and therefor costs will increase. Unhealthy people pay much more than healthy people. That's just basic and if you want to ignore that fact, you'll never find the truth.
The ones that don't want it, don't purchase it. The poor would be covered once they go into an emergency room.
The problem is the government run current system. Consider what it would be costing under the present system if every American didn't have to deal with e crony capitalism that makes costs go up. From the regulations that discourages competition to the sky high government mandated cost of pharmaceuticals.
The inability to consider the fact that as a nation, we are unhealthy. The fact that unhealthy people are a bigger risk and therefor costs will increase. Unhealthy people pay much more than healthy people. That's just basic and if you want to ignore that fact, you'll never find the truth.
It's not concern for the truth when you so assuredly state the poor get covered through emergency treatment. No one gets adequate pre-emptive care through emergency room treatment..you get whatever sent you there stabilized (not cured) and booted! Wash, rinse, repeat at enormous additional cost.
E-crony capitalism is what Americans love and admire. If each American could get what he or she desires through e-crony capitalism, we would not be having this discussion.
Regulations do not discourage competition as EVERY country utilizing single payer or universal healthcare has a regulatory bureaucracy to rival that of the U.S.. The essential difference is the insurance and big pharma lobbyists aren't allowed to make elected legislators millionaires, which is another feature admired by most Americans who would dearly love to get them some of the same.
Admiration of the wealthy (petty greed) has gotten you where you are and what will keep you there.
It's not concern for the truth when you so assuredly state the poor get covered through emergency treatment. No one gets adequate pre-emptive care through emergency room treatment..you get whatever sent you there stabilized (not cured) and booted! Wash, rinse, repeat at enormous additional cost.
They get signed up for government programs like Medicaid and Medicare. THAT is my point. That you had no idea they could be signed up tells us about your lack of knowledge on this subject. And you keep proving that with the rest of your posts.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
E-crony capitalism is what Americans love and admire. If each American could get what he or she desires through e-crony capitalism, we would not be having this discussion.
Get what he or she deserves? And who gets to wave that magic wand? The benevolent hand of government? The big government you love, the one that pushes crony capitalism is the problem. Getting government out and the free market in solves that problem.
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Regulations do not discourage competition as EVERY country utilizing single payer or universal healthcare has a regulatory bureaucracy to rival that of the U.S.. The essential difference is the insurance and big pharma lobbyists aren't allowed to make elected legislators millionaires, which is another feature admired by most Americans who would dearly love to get them some of the same.
Hospitals site administrative costs to be as high as 30%
From a 2014 study published in Health Affairs "found that between 2010 and 2011 U.S. hospital administrative costs exceeded such costs in Canada, England, France, Germany, Netherlands, Scotland, and Wales. In the United States, the study found hospital administrative costs accounted for 25.3% of total U.S. hospital spending, followed by 20% of hospital spending in the Netherlands. According to the study, Canada and Scotland ranked the lowest, with hospital administrative costs accounting for about 12% of each country's total hospital expenditure"
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Originally Posted by BruSan
Admiration of the wealthy (petty greed) has gotten you where you are and what will keep you there.
Why is it greedy for me to keep my hard earned money but not greedy for others to take it? Why don't you explain that?
You don't have a leg to stand on because I disproved all the statements you threw out. So the next thing to do is make something else up and make it about the poster. You loose again.
Again we are unhealthy. We are too fat. Treat the problem and don't react to a symptom.
They get signed up for government programs like Medicaid and Medicare. THAT is my point. That you had no idea they could be signed up tells us about your lack of knowledge on this subject. And you keep proving that with the rest of your posts.
Able bodied non-elderly adults without minor children are not eligible for medicaid in states that did not expand medicaid. My point is that most of us do not think it's ok for someone to die of a chronic untreated condition because they happen to live in a $hithole state that didn't expand medicaid, because unlike you- we actually love our country and the people who live here, all of them not just the rich ones.
Able bodied non-elderly adults without minor children are not eligible for medicaid in states that did not expand medicaid.
Some states have expanded their Medicaid programs to cover all people below certain income levels.
Able bodied adults can work and sign up for coverage.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
My point is that most of us do not think it's ok for someone to die of a chronic untreated condition because they happen to live in a $hithole state that didn't expand medicaid,
Your point is dishonest and I already proved it is.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
because unlike you- we actually love our country and the people who live here, all of them not just the rich ones.
Anyone who thinks government run is the answer is not thinking clearly.
So hows your great system working slick? Costs going through the roof because of big government invlvement that you love? Hows the 30% administration costs looking as far as making it a good deal?
You keep making things up and going on with your silly emotional irrational posts. I'll stick with the truth and the facts.
btw- Your way to do it stinks.
Again we are unhealthy as a nation. The big government that you love has added costs and hurt efficiency. Get it yet?
Some states have expanded their Medicaid programs to cover all people below certain income levels.
Your point is dishonest and I already proved it is.
Anyone who thinks government run is the answer is not thinking clearly.
So hows your great system working slick? Costs going through the roof because of big government invlvement that you love? Hows the 30% administration costs looking as far as making it a good deal?
You keep making things up and going on with your silly emotional irrational posts. I'll stick with the truth and the facts.
btw- Your way to do it stinks.
Again we are unhealthy as a nation. The big government that you love has added costs and hurt efficiency. Get it yet?
Geezus Your proof that I'm lying is to say that some states DID expand medicaid, which obviously means that some didn't expand it which is exactly what I said
How's my great system working? It's working well, thanks for asking "Slick". I receive medicare and an employer provided supplement I have zero copays and zero deductibles and I have a PPO so I am not required to get PCP approval to see specialists.
They get signed up for government programs like Medicaid and Medicare. THAT is my point. That you had no idea they could be signed up tells us about your lack of knowledge on this subject. And you keep proving that with the rest of your posts.
Get what he or she deserves? And who gets to wave that magic wand? The benevolent hand of government? The big government you love, the one that pushes crony capitalism is the problem. Getting government out and the free market in solves that problem.
Hospitals site administrative costs to be as high as 30%
From a 2014 study published in Health Affairs "found that between 2010 and 2011 U.S. hospital administrative costs exceeded such costs in Canada, England, France, Germany, Netherlands, Scotland, and Wales. In the United States, the study found hospital administrative costs accounted for 25.3% of total U.S. hospital spending, followed by 20% of hospital spending in the Netherlands. According to the study, Canada and Scotland ranked the lowest, with hospital administrative costs accounting for about 12% of each country's total hospital expenditure"
Why is it greedy for me to keep my hard earned money but not greedy for others to take it? Why don't you explain that?
You don't have a leg to stand on because I disproved all the statements you threw out. So the next thing to do is make something else up and make it about the poster. You loose again.
Again we are unhealthy. We are too fat. Treat the problem and don't react to a symptom.
Your reading comprehension is seriously flawed or being deliberately obtuse is just your natural state.
Medicaid and or Medicare sign up are two different entities. You don't seem to understand either and how working life contributions to one has absolutely no relevance to the other being purely based upon welfare and providing an entirely different level of pre-emptive care.
"Desire"; the word I used, is simply not the same thing as "deserve"... "Loose" is also not the same thing as "Lose"...…..look it up.
Then you proceed to blithely go about proving my point that "free market" nonsense you spout being just that: nonsense, by pointing to all the countries that have totally removed the free market aspect of healthcare funding, and ones in which government influence is higher than the U.S., spending far less in administrative costs. Good one.
By chance; with your resorting to the personal castigating in your rebutting of alternate viewpoints are you perhaps suffering some form of early onset ?
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