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The US on average spends more per student than most western nations and we are not getting the same results as them.
The United States ranked fifth in per student spending for secondary education behind Austria, Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland. But is the problem with the outcome of education in the US the fault of teachers, or is it because we have large number of parents who expect schools to raise their kids for them?
A good teacher is worth their weight in gold but we don't reward good teachers or penalize bad ones. With that said $65K per year, Cadillac insurance plan, Cadillac retirement package, all holidays off, weekends off and a two month vacation would be a job many people would be quite happy with.
How would you decide which teachers are good and which are bad? The schools with failing test scores have one thing in common - poverty, should a teacher be penalized for not being able to raise test scores in one of those schools? Conversely should a teacher be rewarded when they work in a school that is full of english speaking motivated kids with involved parents?
And as far as "cadillac retirement" almost all public employees get defined benefit pensions, but guess what, 40 years ago so did a large number of workers in private industry. My dad made explosives for 40 years, a really crappy dangerous job - but he retired with a very good pension. Unfortunately over the years people had it beat into their heads that unions are bad and they believed it, so now they resent public employees who get benefits that the private sector used to get and most of them still don't fully realize how badly they got screwed over.
But is the problem with the outcome of education in the US the fault of teachers, or is it because we have large number of parents who expect schools to raise their kids for them?
Obviously the home environment is major factor but throwing more money at schools is not going to fix that issue. As far as the teachers goes the fact is you have people collecting a check. While experience and the teachers own education are important it's not the only thing that is important.
Teachers and their families get free health care - no copays, no deductibles -- for life. I think they can retire at 55. Guess who pays for that?
The Dem controlled union is taking their cue from Pelosi by not negotiating anything. That will lead to more private schools and fewer union teachers which is their fear and why they want illegals' butts in the seats.
In CA a lot of the problem is due to school administrators making a small fortune. I think I read somewhere that now in the system it works out to one administrator hired per teacher hired. Meanwhile the kids get dumb and dumber and drop out.
Uh..my wife was a teacher. Masters degree and had over 25 special needs kids on her caseload.
She didn’t have free healthcare and what she did have didn’t cover family without additional cost. It wasn’t for life, either.
She quit and took a much higher paying job with better bennies 3 years ago.
The United States ranked fifth in per student spending for secondary education behind Austria, Luxembourg, Norway and Switzerland. But is the problem with the outcome of education in the US the fault of teachers, or is it because we have large number of parents who expect schools to raise their kids for them?
That last statement is very much true. Parenting skills are sorely lacking.
They get summers off, lots of paid-holidays and long breaks also. It ends up being about
1) You took the salary of a Employee with a PHD and years experience to reach that number. How many PHD teachers do you know and if you have a PHD then I would expect the pay to be higher than a bachelors degree as you were hired to use your expertise.
2) You have no idea how expensive California is do you? Nurse with a Bachelors degre regularlly make 6 figures in California, so that salary is not as high or difficult for professions outside of teaching to reach.
You have to have perspective, you can’t look at salaries in No Where Nebraska and compare to California or New York City, it any large city.
How would you decide which teachers are good and which are bad? The schools with failing test scores have one thing in common - poverty, should a teacher be penalized for not being able to raise test scores in one of those schools? Conversely should a teacher be rewarded when they work in a school that is full of english speaking motivated kids with involved parents?
And as far as "cadillac retirement" almost all public employees get defined benefit pensions, but guess what, 40 years ago so did a large number of workers in private industry. My dad made explosives for 40 years, a really crappy dangerous job - but he retired with a very good pension. Unfortunately over the years people had it beat into their heads that unions are bad and they believed it, so now they resent public employees who get benefits that the private sector used to get and most of them still don't fully realize how badly they got screwed over.
They aren't offered in private sector because it's not a good business model, they bankrupt companies. They difference is in the public sector, politicians can just keep taxing the people more. Exactly what is happening in CA, keep feeding the bad business model for votes.
I understand that you're adamant about this, because you vested interest to keep the Ponzi going.
They aren't offered in private sector because it's not a good business model, they bankrupt companies. They difference is in the public sector, politicians can just keep taxing the people more. Exactly what is happening in CA, keep feeding the bad business model for votes.
I understand that you're adamant about this, because you vested interest to keep the Ponzi going.
Pensions do not bankrupt companies, the only time that happens is if they fail to prefund the pensions and end up without enough money to cover the pensions of retired employees. Wall Street decided that they wanted to play roulette with your retirement savings so they gave you the 401k, a scheme where they make money off of broker fees even while the market is tanking. Employers love it because there is ZERO liability or risk on their part. It helps everyone except the employee who ends up taking it in the shorts when their company decides they won't contribute matching funds or the market goes south when you are ready to retire.
With that said, this is off topic and I won't continue discussing pensions in this thread, but it's a good topic and if you want to start a new thread on it I will gladly participate
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