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Old 01-16-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This is an interesting take from the NY Times

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Will We Ever See Mueller’s Report on Trump? Maybe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/u...ase-trump.html

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On Wednesday, Mr. Kinkopf noted that the Justice Department had taken the position that sitting presidents could not be indicted while in office. If Mr. Barr strictly enforces the view that department policy forbids putting out negative information about people whom prosecutors declined to charge, he said, that would prevent Justice Department officials from releasing information about Mr. Trump’s actions.

Mr. Katyal said there was one way around that. The special counsel regulation requires Mr. Barr to tell Congress about any instance in which he overruled a step Mr. Mueller proposed, so if Mr. Mueller were to suggest indicting Mr. Trump, the attorney general report would have to discuss that.


How else can we find out what Mueller learned?
For one thing, information could leak to the news media. If any Mueller report is leaked, that would most likely cause a firestorm, especially if it contained unredacted classified information and evidence subject to grand-jury secrecy rules.

The House Judiciary Committee, now controlled by Democrats, could also seek to subpoena the report. If Mr. Trump asserts executive privilege to avoid turning it over, the House could ask a judge to order it handed over.

House Democrats could similarly seek to subpoena Mr. Mueller to testify about his findings. Mr. Trump could also seek to gag Mr. Mueller by invoking executive privilege, although it is not clear that he would succeed.

Could Trump block or edit a report to Congress?
The president’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani has suggested that in addition to potentially invoking executive privilege, the White House may seek to edit a report that will go to Congress “so we can correct it if they’re wrong.”

Mr. Barr said on Tuesday that he would not allow such a move: “That will not happen.”
I still think this will end up in the Supreme Court especially on issues around Executive Privilege. Also as stated in the article if Barr overrules a step Mueller proposed...he has to mention that in the report to congress...which would create a political firestorm. I get this is going to be a political firestorm any which way it goes.

 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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This is an interesting take from the NY Times.
It's a stupid and desperate take. Barr cannot "overrule" a proposed indictment because Mueller cannot propose an indictment. He can charge or decline to charge, and the purpose of the report is to explain those decisions to charge or not.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:14 PM
 
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The question remains, what does Trump expect from Barr that Sessions wasn't already providing other than not being recused from the Mueller investigation.
Maybe he'll be awake more than eight hours a day.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:17 PM
 
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If Barr tries to rewrite Mueller's report and release a watered down version of it, Adam Schiff, as head of the House Intel Committee, will simply subpoena Barr to testify publicly before Congress and force him to reveal what he knows.
Congress doesn't have the power to punish a finding of contempt. Congress can't force anyone to do anything.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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One question for Trump supporters: If the Mueller report would completely vindicate Trump of any wrongdoing and confirm that there was no collusion, why would Trump not want the American people to see it? Would Trump want to be able to show the American people that Mueller WAS a witch hunt?!

I'll wait
If the Mueller report is accompanied by criminal indictments, those will not be secret. As for the contents of the report, if they are withheld, we can be confident that in this free country of ours, they will make their way into the hands of those who will publish them. The concept of "no prior restraint" regarding the publication will apply.
 
Old 01-16-2019, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Barr will not be the ultimate authority here. The House of Representatives is a very powerful chamber of congress when held by the majority. This is going to end up in the Supreme Court.

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House Judiciary chair says they'll subpoena Mueller report if necessary
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/polit...ntv/index.html

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The House Judiciary Committee chairman said Wednesday that his panel would subpoena special counsel Robert Mueller's final report if William Barr, President Donald Trump's nominee for attorney general, does not release it to the public.

"If necessary, our committee will subpoena the report. If necessary, we'll get Mueller to testify," Rep. Jerry Nadler, a New York Democrat, told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "Anderson Cooper 360." "The American people need the information here."
 
Old 01-17-2019, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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This is an interesting take from the NY Times



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/16/u...ase-trump.html



I still think this will end up in the Supreme Court especially on issues around Executive Privilege. Also as stated in the article if Barr overrules a step Mueller proposed...he has to mention that in the report to congress...which would create a political firestorm. I get this is going to be a political firestorm any which way it goes.
Oh, it is. The train is roaring steadily down the tracks toward a period of American history that will make the last 2 years look like the Golden Age of American political harmony, and Watergate look like a hiccup. No matter what scenario ultimately plays out, all hell is going to break loose - in a very real sense.
 
Old 01-17-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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Oh, it is. The train is roaring steadily down the tracks toward a period of American history that will make the last 2 years look like the Golden Age of American political harmony, and Watergate look like a hiccup. No matter what scenario ultimately plays out, all hell is going to break loose - in a very real sense.
LOL. If that is so, it will be because the DOJ/FBI is finally doing a straight up investigation of Hillary Clinton and her crew and holding them properly accountable for their crimes.
 
Old 01-17-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Barr will not be the ultimate authority here. The House of Representatives is a very powerful chamber of congress when held by the majority. This is going to end up in the Supreme Court.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/polit...ntv/index.html
Just because they subpoena something, does not mean they will get it.

As far as Mueller testifying, I would certainly expect that he will. That will actually be the check and balance on this process to make sure that it is working as intended.
 
Old 01-17-2019, 08:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There are sure a lot of emotions driving this thread!
What are the facts.... Facts can careless about anyone's feelings.
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