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Old 01-17-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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Why should anyone be focused on the past? How does that help the country in the present or for the future? Individuals decide if they're going to throw their hat in the ring.

Each president is judged by history, after they leave office, and leave office they will, whether they resign, serve their full term, or are kicked out. Whatever way it happens, their tenure is but temporary.

The fixation and love affair some have with the current oval dweller is interesting and strange. Never felt that way about any president.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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It's true though. Trump is a trillion times better than all the clowns since Reagan
No he isn't. He's literally the worst president since Hoover and Ford
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:19 PM
 
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Democrats always try to get too radical too soon, and it scares the HELL out of Americans. When Presidents start talking about Fundamental Transformation, and "you didn't build that", it sends a message that oppression, and tyranny are soon to follow.
I love that there are still righties out there who think "you didn't build that" was controversial. It says a lot about Obama's class and dignity with which he carried himself that the worst things right wingers can ever come up with that Obama said are "you didn't build that" and "you can keep your plan."

It's pure ****ing comedy.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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He allowed every single corrupt banker that filled his coffers slide.
"He" allowed that, eh? Sure because republicans ran the roost the entire time he was president and they were so incompetent and stupid, they allowed that and never investigated. Haha, now you're just being funny.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:49 PM
 
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"He" allowed that, eh? Sure because republicans ran the roost the entire time he was president and they were so incompetent and stupid, they allowed that and never investigated. Haha, now you're just being funny.
Republicans did NOT run the Justice department. Obama did.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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" . . . they're not going to say it." Hmmm, interesting, yet TOP republicans have had no such compunctions stating precisely what they thought of Trump. Yet, despite your statement, "Obama was a horrible president and even some in the Democratic party are now saying it," all you keep linking to are articles, NONE of which explicitly make that statement.

Even worse, did you not read the articles you link to? Read this from the FP:

"And throughout his presidency, Obama conducted himself with the same dignity, humor, grace, intelligence, forbearance, respect for American values and traditions, and above all class that were on display in his farewell speech. Contrast that with the tone of Donald Trump’s first post-election press conference, held the day after Obama’s speech, which was bombastic, deceptive, abusive, defiant, contemptuous of traditional norms — and entirely consistent with Trump’s campaign and business career."

Thus your OWN link that you provided pretty much demeans, defames and says Trump is horrible. Nice going there, this author "totally slays Obama." Pfffffft! Keep digging that hole!
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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Trump is horrible. I've never argued otherwise. That doesn't excuse Obama's failures.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Republicans did NOT run the Justice department. Obama did.
Yet, oddly, republicans spent months and months, millions upon millions of dollars and several investigations investigating Benghazi - only to find nothing. How the heck did that happen if President Obama was the boss? You'd think he would have been able to cut it off after the first investigation cleared it all.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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Yet, oddly, republicans spent months and months, millions upon millions of dollars and several investigations investigating Benghazi - only to find nothing. How the heck did that happen if President Obama was the boss? You'd think he would have been able to cut it off after the first investigation cleared it all.
Obama ran the Justice department. Obama and Hillary were running arms out of Benghazi to the terrorists.
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:14 PM
 
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Trump is horrible. I've never argued otherwise. That doesn't excuse Obama's failures.
No, you're right - whatever Obama did wrong, he got wrong. I would argue that he wasn't helped by having republicans block him at every move (for example, he came up with a great infrastructure bill and they blocked it, saying they didn't want Obama to get credit for anything). However, I was disputing your claim that (what I presumed you meant) that top Democrats have stated that he was a "horrible" president.

I didn't realize, nor did you make clear, that you were merely alluding to some authors who were unhappy with his actions or inactions during his time in office. I also have no idea how you, personally, know that each of those authors are in "the Democratic Party." Honestly, I know Hispanics who are republican, so if one of them didn't like what Obama did in office and wrote about it, that does NOT equal ". . . even some in the Democratic party are now saying it."

You could have simply stated that there were a lot of articles that you found wherein folks had written why they were not happy with the Obama presidency. You would have been factual and spot on.
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