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Old 01-17-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?

Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.

Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
It is the taxpayer’s fault. They voted in the Administration that caused tbis mess and they should pay the price.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?

Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.

Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
The one difference that I see is that in a private sector, if a company shuts down, you know your career there is over, and that day you can start looking for another job. The government shutdowns are unique in that they are still employed (just not being allowed to work) and they could be called back in a day or in months.

It's hard to make life changes, especially since they may really like their job and they are technically still employed. Also, I read that there are ethics involved around getting another job. For side jobs like Uber, I'm sure it is pretty easy, but for professional-level jobs, the reference/employee verification would likely be difficult.

The longer it goes on, as much as I sympathize with federal government workers, I do agree (at no fault of their own), it becomes increasingly harder to justify back pay for not working (for potentially months); although that is what points to the ridiculousness of the shutdown IMO. If you are going to give back pay, why not end the shutdown, let them work now and get value for all of the back pay you will be giving them. That is the ironic part of the whole situation.

I have seen segments on nightly news the past week, and lines/crowds of federal employees are at food banks and at job fairs for substitute teacher positions, so it is not like they aren't trying. It is a painful reality to many of them of the types of struggles many others go through (who don't get any back pay). Stockpiling savings is easier said than done, so I have sympathy for them.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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What would you call not working while being paid?
A vacation is picked by the participant with full understanding of the financial implications.

This was not picked. This was forced by lawmakers - who still expect a material segment of them to show up and work free.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Cali
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What would you call not working while being paid?
and what you call essential employees who are working and not getting paid?
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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Need some explanation here. For those who didn’t work, why should they be paid?

Before you argue it’s not their fault, it’s not the taxpayers’ fault either. In the private sector, if a company shuts down due to slow sales, nobody would be paid.

Since they will get the pay back for not doing any work, that’s like paid vacation! Frankly, all the whining from the federal employees is only because they have no savings when they know government shutdowns are not rare events.
Because many of them, like my daughter are not allowed to find other work in their field due to issues with clearances.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Williamsburg, VA
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I wonder if people have stopped to think about long range consequences of treating employees like this? Who in their right mind will ever want a federal job after this? Anyone with any competence or ability will go elsewhere.

If you thought it was mind numbing to deal with government agencies before, imagine what it will be like in years to come, when nobody who has any competence will be willing to work for the feds.

When all this is over, and they start tallying the costs, I hope they include the cost of now having to pay higher wages when the time comes to hire new people for those jobs.

Some will need to be replaced immediately, if current employees decide they just can't sit it out. Others may need to be replaced in a few years. Either way, I suspect that a direct result of this shutdown will be the feds will have to pay a higher wage to get people willing to work for them.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:00 AM
 
Location: City Data Land
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What does morality have to do with a discussion about Trump's actions?
Best post in 72 years.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The workers should be paid. It's the politicians - mostly the scum bag democrats - that are at fault for this.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Boston
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nobody is quitting anything, they lose their pensions and health insurance if they leave.

3 billion in border funding ends this
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: AZ
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the workers should be paid. It's the politicians - mostly the scum bag democrats - that are at fault for this.
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you want to know something?” mr. Trump finally said, exasperated. “i’ll tell you what: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, chuck.”
i will take the mantle,” mr. Trump went on. “i will be the one to shut it down — i’m not going to blame you for it.
djt.
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