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Old 01-17-2019, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger View Post
Do you know the difference between and employee and an entrepreneur?
Nope and the SCOTUS did not either.

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Justice Kennedy said that such a double standard provides “another indication of hostility” forbidden by the Free Exercise Clause of the Constitution. In other words, rules that disfavor religious individuals while favoring others are unconstitutional.
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It means that a city can’t approve zoning requests for Christian churches but deny them for mosques. It means that the highway administration can’t decide to protect a tattoo parlor but destroy a Native American burial ground across the road. And it means that a prison can’t decide to allow prisoners to wear beards for medical reasons but outlaw the same beard motivated by faith. In other words, this is a rule that benefits all Americans, and unpopular religious minorities in particular.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...s-a-good-thing
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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But if a baker can refuse to make a cake based on religious beliefs, where does this end?

The baker in this case owns the establishment and is exercising their freedom of religion by refusing the job, conversely if the dishwasher is expected to work on Sunday they too can refuse the job and find employment elsewhere.



The hiccup in this case appears they accommodated her previously. I personally disagree that is justification for a verdict of religious discrimination. About the only scenario I can think of where there may be justification is a pattern of them scheduling her on Sundays different than other employees.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: The Mitten.
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The very phrase "christian dishwasher" makes me hoot.
Does she have a crucifix hanging on the machine? Recite incantations between dishwashing cycles? The mind boggles.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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Ms. Pierre will likely see less than $200,000 after attorney fees. The hefty jury award was likely due to the jury wanting to hit the mammoth corporation and sympathy for the Haitian immigrant.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Don't take a job that requires you to work on whatever special days you decide you need to have.

Imagine if this lady was a healthcare worker or first responder, etc. ��

If it where only as simple as that. Society has lost all semblance of common sense. How was she "forced" to go to work ? The choices are simple, a job or a fairy tale ?
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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How was she "forced" to go to work?
She wasn't. She was fired.

The article contains details.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:37 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Ms. Pierre will likely see less than $200,000 after attorney fees. The hefty jury award was likely due to the jury wanting to hit the mammoth corporation and sympathy for the Haitian immigrant.
I was figuring she would get around that figure too. Thank god for tort reform. It prevents so many shakedowns, like this one.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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She wasn't. She was fired.

The article contains details.

I take back my "fairy tale" statement. Here I'm thinking a mother chose religion over providing for her children, yet she made her choice, stuck it out with God and he provided... Hmmmm, maybe there is something to this...
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Many employers are obligated by statute to make reasonable accommodations for religious observation. The employer could have hired someone else to work on Sundays. Keep in mind the fact that there are Christian and Jewish Sabbath (Friday at sunset through Saturday at sunset) observers. They too must be reasonably accommodated. Most faiths make an exception for work that is life-saving in character, physicians for example.

I do not feel sympathy for the employer. Whether or not the amount is just is a separate question.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: NC
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Please. I can’t stand Christianity. You’ve got the wrong idea bud.
Sounds like I didn't interpret your comments correctly. Apologies for that.

In any case, I don't need to speak for anyone but me, and my thoughts are that it's a bad precedent for the reasons I stated.

Again, apologies to you if I misunderstood your response, or mischaracterized your stance. Sincerely.
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