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View Poll Results: Is Individual 1 guilty of collusion?
Yes 45 73.77%
No 8 13.11%
Undecided 8 13.11%
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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I'm listening to Cuomo on Potus radio now. His callers are pushing back hard on Giuliani. The lies that come out of this WH is like a fiction novel.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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Poor Guiliani. Doesn't know which end is up, lol.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Yes, of course, because the events came to light before he was inaugurated. The details were lacking.

Think about this:

In the primary season there were 17 campaigns for the Republican nomination, five for the Democratic nomination, one for the Green party and one for the Libertarian party, with possibly some other independents besides Evan McMullin.

By my count that is at least twenty five campaigns for president that cycle.

Only one campaign was picked up in contact with the Russian government (incidentally, through routine surveillance of Russian activity). That was the Trump campaign.


That is complete BS.
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Care to explain?
We know that the Clinton campaign was in contact with the Russians via Fusion GPS and the Steele Dossier. It is increasingly clear that FISA warrants were obtained under dubious, perhaps illegal, methods.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:28 AM
 
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We know that the Clinton campaign was in contact with the Russians via Fusion GPS and the Steele Dossier. It is increasingly clear that FISA warrants were obtained under dubious, perhaps illegal, methods.

Even if you're right it doesn't matter in the end. Impeachment is not a formal criminal trial. Trump's not going to get a ruling that the Dossier is inadmissible. Trump can't walk free from impeachment on a technicality.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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Rudy has gone from "No collusion whatsoever", to "ok, maybe some people DID collude, but not Trump." Next he will be saying "OK, you got us, Trump is guilty as HELL !!!"




Rudy is a trip.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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Just one campaign out of twenty five, and our national security services picked up around 40 different contacts in real time, and also picked up discussions about setting up more secure backchannels. Since then we have learned it was over 100 contacts.
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Any errors here?
Yes, you are treating The Center For American Progress as a serious source.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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So we are moving from the "nothing burger" defense to the "Yea ok so there was a burger but POTUS was too stupid to know about it" defense.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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Rudy has gone from "No collusion whatsoever", to "ok, maybe some people DID collude, but not Trump." Next he will be saying "OK, you got us, Trump is guilty as HELL !!!"

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Followed closely by, "If the President does it, then it's not illegal."

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Old 01-17-2019, 11:36 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Rudy Giulani No Longer Denies Campaign Collusion, Only Trumps Involvement
He only represents Trump. So that's who he speaks for.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Yes, you are treating The Center For American Progress as a serious source.
Is it factually incorrect? ... or is this just a deflection on your part? Even a broken clock is right twice a day, so is the article correct, or is it not? What do your sources tell you?

What are the facts as you know them? How many contacts were there between the Trump campaign and the Rusians?
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