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Old 01-19-2019, 07:21 AM
 
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I'm sure he appreciates your accolades but that is way over-stated by the Alt Left. He can probably influence some of his audience but I know Trump was far from being his first choice.
Trump had agreed to the budget passed by BOTH the House and Senate and was going to sign it until Rush and Hannity called him out on it.
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Old 01-19-2019, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm sure he appreciates your accolades but that is way over-stated by the Alt Left. He can probably influence some of his audience but I know Trump was far from being his first choice.

Why, just before xmas, Limbaugh forced tRump to shut down the government.

Trumplings = Limbots

tRump has no choice but to cozy up to Rush.


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Old 01-19-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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I'm sure he appreciates your accolades but that is way over-stated by the Alt Left. He can probably influence some of his audience but I know Trump was far from being his first choice.
Talk radios influence on the right wing base is NOT overstated in any way. On this forum alone you can predict with pretty high accuracy what certain posters will be parroting based on Limbaugh or Hannity's show that or the previous day.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:01 PM
 
Location: At mah house
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Good question.


The simple answer is: they don't. Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hannity holding Trump accountable for following through on his campaign promises isn't the same as them setting his agenda for him. If anything, they're doing what one would hope influential media figures would do: holding accountable those in power.


I'd prefer that than the how the rest of the media treated Obama. They spent his entire Presidency acting like every hurdle he had to jump over was the result of angry old racist Republicans who just wouldn't get with the program. I haven't once heard a mainstream media outlet call Democrats "obstructionists" for resisting funding for a border wall. Meanwhile, that was Word of the Day for almost a year when Democrats wanted to past Obamacare.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Caverns measureless to man...
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Because conservatives tend to be very simpleminded, uneducated people who are incapable of comprehending anything but the simplest black and white explanations. They're not bright enough to make any sense of the world on their own, so they need someone to explain it all and tell them what they're supposed to think.

Because they're suspicious of anyone who thinks differently than they do, they prefer to have other, more clever conservatives tell them what to think - like Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Piro, etc. That means that these amoral, lying scum are in the position of telling the entire Republican base how to vote every other November. Which obviously confers upon them an extraordinary degree of power.
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Old 01-19-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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People are gullible... a great % of American people are not that well educated and many have lived by the drama spins over many decades and they don't know to value anything beyond the spins of drama. No matter what is stripped from them or the challenges that are being designed to further decimates them. They are oblivious to such reality. They still think in terms of being devoted to the ideas that the wealthy white men will provide means for them, while giving them someone to look down upon.


There are many who worship and submit to a suit and tie and anyone with the claims of having money, they will create a way to submit their conscience unto them. It's been that way for 1000's of years, it's why the world has so many who become dictators over such types, tyrants over such types and can easily fleece such types. All that is needed is to rile them up and lead them to believe they should blame everyone who is not white or does not have money and does not wear a suit and tie!!! They are trained over generations never to blame the wealthy white men and the white nationalist system he crated. They will "every day" be devoted to blame anyone and everyone EXCEPT the wealthy white men in suits. One can watch any day, everyday, how they have a submissive mentality when they encounter a white man in a suit, or one who claims to have money, and they will believe anything that comes out of his mouth even when it tells them what he will strip away from them, they find a way to accept it..

The power of drama is greater than people give it credit for being, especially over a gullible under-educated mass of people. These types have "never stopped accepting anything a person with wealth" has to say, and they will become enraged and even prone to violence if anyone tries to make them awakened to see they are making of themselves a cultist member of something they cannot see the "cultism" of what they devote themselves into and unto. To these types, nothing Trump can say or do will change their blind devotion, because they worship him as a white man in a suit with wealth!!! he is to such types liken unto being their God...

Trump did those rally's where he said absolutely nothing, but "incite and agitate the crowd into a belligerent frenzy", until the data came back that he was on the same track as Glenn Beck was on, Glenn Beck was obsessed with the belligerence, until Beck was brought to reality about the belligerent vile he stirred up and the potential of violence that his belligerence was feeding into that group and shown that he has no capability to control the vile and violence he has pandered to and fed.

The world of nation of non white people are advancing in every corner of the world, and they are no longer willing to submit themselves to the long past history of white nationalist dominance, not in international affairs, not on trade and not on political levels. The system of white nationalist ideals, not just in America, but other places it exist, are fighting like a wild beast trying to hold on to that old system and its ideals. Here in America, women have awakened to the reality that the premise of white nationalism was and is also driven with the elements of "gender bias", and gender disenfranchisement, so now... women have become awakened and they are standing against the old guards of white nationalism; they are taking seats of power in the political arena and they will continue within the cities and town across this nation.
They are bringing a "new narrative" to the people, and that is one of "respect for society and its people", and the promotion of human equality and respect for the individual as person.
It's sending shiver's down the spine of the Old segment of the White Right Evangelicals who are lead and controlled by the long history of white male leadership, who has long promoted the ideals of white nationalism.

The uneducated and under-educated, fear the change... unaware that the change will make their lives better, and make their opportunities more wide spread and bring them a respect as individual and person, they've never known what such means in the truer sense of what it is. We are talking about people who have never been from under the dictates of white nationalism, and the reliance on the white male dominance. Even as such a system as such has generation by generation taken everything from them and left them from generation to generation struggling in vain and some spinning in cycle upon cycle of destitution.... it's all they know.

They fear being free to be truly and honestly informed and to make informed decisions for themselves. They are use to being led, by "racist spin", "ethnic bias" and "taught to blame diversity" to keep them from seeing the damages that "white nationalist ideals" have cast upon them and left them in a dire struggle that overtakes and consumes them.

They are with the vain hope that just maybe the wealthy white men in society will give them something", but deep down they know the wealthy white male dominated system has never given them another, "except"... keeping with with someone to look down upon" as that will appease and fulfill them, just knowing they have conjured up and believe that they are above someone else.

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Old 01-19-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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More than once we have seen Trump change his mind at the very last minute based on criticism from the likes of Ann Coulter. Clearly it is a big reason why he refuses to give ground on the Wall. My question is, who are Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh anyway and why does anyone give a rat's patoot what they think?

I don't see the same phenomenon on the left. I don't think Pelosi is saying "I gotta fight this wall, or Anderson Cooper and Rachel Maddow will be upset".
I think to a great extent this is the phantasmagorical imaginings of TDS sufferers on the left. What is the evidence that Trump is under the spell of Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh? Coulter was a Trump supporter during the campaign, but the last few times I've seen her, she seems to be completely disenchanted with Trump.

If you read Fear by Woodward, those three are barely mentioned, if at all. The major influences on Trump were #1 Jared and Ivanka, who according to the book are basically New York liberals. Also Steve Bannon, who formulated Trump's top 3 priorities as 1)immigration, 2)bringing back manufacturing, and 3)staying out of pointless foreign wars. Bannon has been described as a Truman/JFK Democrat.

Other top influences, according to the book, included econ advisor Gary Cohn, a fiscal conservative/social liberal who donated to Hillary Clinton. People can post imaginings all they wish, but invariably they are inaccurate.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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I think to a great extent this is the phantasmagorical imaginings of TDS sufferers on the left. What is the evidence that Trump is under the spell of Hannity, Coulter, and Limbaugh? Coulter was a Trump supporter during the campaign, but the last few times I've seen her, she seems to be completely disenchanted with Trump.
Your hyperbole aside this has been covered many times. The House and Senate passed a budget. Trump was all set to sign it until Hannity and Rush got upset.
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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These people are the defacto leaders of the Republican party. The DC insiders have had to cow tow to human ham Limbaugh for decades so this isn't really new.

Pretty pathetic these trolls actually control the President.
Yes, Trump ONLY does what they tell him to do!
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Old 01-19-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Your hyperbole aside this has been covered many times. The House and Senate passed a budget. Trump was all set to sign it until Hannity and Rush got upset.
Again, what is the evidence? Keep in mind that correlation<>causation.

Can you cite a quote from Trump where he credits either Hannity or Limbaugh for changing his mind?
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