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Old 02-28-2019, 09:47 AM
 
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Of course he made the right move by walking out. He would make the right move according to his supporters no matter what that move was or wasn't. The man is infallible!
He obviously failed in securing a deal, no doubt about it. He owns that now.

But that's not what's important. I'm not interested that he failed in this last summit or the summit before it... I'm interested to see how the situation evolves and new methods/tactics are tried. When you fail a final in your first year of college, you don't say "Welp, I guess that's it for my career, time to quit school and work at McDonalds for the rest of my life", you figure out what went wrong and make corrections.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: NY
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I don't know why Trump is cuddling up to that monster, and his supporters are cheering it.

God.

Edited to add: I just now saw the post above mine. Money. Ok, now I get it.



Keep your family close and your families closer.....................
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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So I wonder if Trump is still "in love" with the little homicidal psychopath. Breaking up is hard to do.
Apparently he is as he took Kim's word that he knew nothing of what was happening to Otto while he was in custody. Trump is such an idiot.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: NY
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An historic meeting. Trump-Kim mania grips Hanoi. The latest:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/...054914749.html
The democratic party undermined the historical significance of this meeting by holding a
public media circus surrounding Michael Cohen at the same exact time. The democratic
party exposed themselves once more and will stop at nothing. There are geopolitical
advantages to work towards a unified Korea and a possible future trading partner and only
President Donald Trump has had the courage to step up to the plate.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Trade deals are newsworthy,noteworthy, except this one, is “so” I thought you were above it
Of course they are newsworthy.

I only object to creating and sustaining a perception that Trump alone is responsible for trade deals, like this, which are negotiated by multinational corporations.

Boeing, with HQ in Chicago, has operations in 150 countries and counting. The company is critical to US trade balances.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I think this whole thing is a show for stupid people.

Everyone with half a brain knows that North Koreans will not give up nuclear weapons, not now and not ever. They especially won't do it with some grand public deal between two megalomaniacs; if anything, it would be a very gradual and incremental process. They know damn well that nukes are what's keeping them alive and without them they would already have ended up like Libya or Iraq.

Trump knows all this, but he finds great marketing value in putting on a show; it's what he's good at. Here he gets to (1) distract from other challenges at home, (2) portray himself as a good leader trying to push where others haven't, and (3) show himself as "tough" after past time by saying he walked away.

Kim Jong Un, by the way, also knows nothing will happen but also gets great marketing value from it - even moreso than Trump. He's publicly on the world stage with the leader of the USA.

Reality is that everyone involved knew this is a sham, but there are real benefits on both sides in shoring up domestic support among the ranks of the stupid.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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The democratic party undermined the historical significance of this meeting by holding a
public media circus surrounding Michael Cohen at the same exact time. The democratic
party exposed themselves once more and will stop at nothing. There are geopolitical
advantages to work towards a unified Korea and a possible future trading partner and only
President Donald Trump has had the courage to step up to the plate.
Trump failed to bring home the bacon. And he looked like a fool in the process. It's on him. No one else.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Statesmen who know what they are doing let their respective state departments work out deals in private, where you can suggest a trade of concessions and advantages without having to manage the PR of every single possibility. Then you hold the summit, with pomp & circumstance and flourishes. The only exception in recent history that I can think of was Reykjavik in 1986 (God, I'm old) where Gorbachev changed the scope dramatically and the deal fell through.

Of course, Trump doesn't know what he's doing, has gutted the State Department, and appears to have internalized his own BS about being a great dealmaker.

The bolded is absolutely true. He could have stayed home and saved the country millions of dollars. What a glorious disaster this supposed summit was for Trump. Trump got nothing once again while his BFF got an all expense paid trip to Vietnam and his face shown all over the world. We all know which of the 2 knows what he is doing and it ain't Trump.
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Old 02-28-2019, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The democratic party undermined the historical significance of this meeting by holding a
public media circus surrounding Michael Cohen at the same exact time. The democratic
party exposed themselves once more and will stop at nothing. There are geopolitical
advantages to work towards a unified Korea and a possible future trading partner and only
President Donald Trump has had the courage to step up to the plate.
Historical significance?

It turned into a nothingburger.

Would have made more sense to underplay this meeting and perhaps overdelivering if it was in the cards.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump is finally getting the bipartisan praise he craves. For failing!
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