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Old 03-01-2019, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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CIA/FBI: Kim killed Otto Warmbier.

tRump: Kim sez he didn't. I believe him.

CIA/FBI/NATO allies: Putin meddled in the 2016 election.

tRump: Putin denies it. I believe him.

There's a pattern here...

Yep. The pattern is that trump is a liar and a fool.
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Old 03-01-2019, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yep. The pattern is that trump is a liar and a fool.

I won't bother to mention that he's dangerously stupid.

I report. You decide.

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Old 03-01-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Couldnt they have worked out the basics of the deal on the phone before wasting millions of tax payer dollars on a failed trip to Nam . as it turns out it was nothing more than a glorified photo op paid for by US tax payers.
You took the words right out of my mouth. When I read the unsurprising news that the so called summit failed, I thought, "This was just a photo op anyway,"
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Old 03-01-2019, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This is our Commander in Chief. Donald Trump says he believes Kim didn't know about the torture of Warmbier. Kim, a dictator who has had several family members killed and starves millions of his people.

Trump believes him over U.S. Intel.


https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1101050958279258112
Well remember he knows more about ISIS than the generals do.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:32 PM
 
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Typically, the deal is worked out ahead of time, and POTUS doesn't fly in until it's a done deal and it's time to sign.

Generally, the POTUS doesn't fly around the world to be made a fool of.
trump's setting the (low) bar.
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Old 03-01-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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There was a very limited agreement to roll back sanctions to 2016 when North Korea started testing nuclear weapons and long-range missiles. Since North Korea had already done its part as a good faith gesture, they were expecting the US to reciprocate. Some saw it as a chance to demand more steps from North Korea. If they want denuclearization, it'll be a long process with a lot of separate agreements that demonstrate both sides will live up to them. The US has walked away from agreements and talks in the past.
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Old 03-01-2019, 11:55 PM
 
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Why is trump buddy buddy with this monster? =
https://www.google.ca/search?ei=Oyh6...60.CyxaP2tm0pY
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:25 AM
 
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Why is trump buddy buddy with this monster? =
https://www.google.ca/search?ei=Oyh6...60.CyxaP2tm0pY
Who knows? Saw clips the other day of Trump talking about how he and Kim fell in love.

I'm not kidding, he used those actual words.

Carried on about the wonderful letters Kim had written him.

Disgusting.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Homeless
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Default Opinion: Trump Just Walked Away From The Best North Korea Deal He'll Ever Get.

A bipartisan consensus seems to be forming that President Trump was right to walk away from the deal offered by Kim Jong Un at the two leaders' summit in Hanoi, Vietnam.



Let's be clear: During 2017, North Korea tested a series of new missiles, including two different intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) that can reach the United States. One of those missiles, the Hwasong-15, can deliver a nuclear-weapon-size payload all the way to Mar-a-Lago.

Each time the United States walked, a lot of people in Washington promised that patience and pressure would produce a better deal than the one squandered. And each time they were wrong. Like a gambler racking up debt, the U.S. foreign policy community has consistently taken its chances at the roulette table rather than cutting its losses and admitting the obvious: North Korea has the bomb.

But that's apparently the one thing that remains taboo in Washington. Even now, the United States cannot recognize what seems pretty obvious.

We can't admit failure because it requires not merely changing our policy but admitting that we've been wrong. It's far easier to pretend that a better deal is just around the corner. It isn't.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/01/69890...ntent=20190301
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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A bipartisan consensus seems to be forming that President Trump was right to walk away from the deal offered by Kim Jong Un at the two leaders' summit in Hanoi, Vietnam.



Let's be clear: During 2017, North Korea tested a series of new missiles, including two different intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) that can reach the United States. One of those missiles, the Hwasong-15, can deliver a nuclear-weapon-size payload all the way to Mar-a-Lago.

Each time the United States walked, a lot of people in Washington promised that patience and pressure would produce a better deal than the one squandered. And each time they were wrong. Like a gambler racking up debt, the U.S. foreign policy community has consistently taken its chances at the roulette table rather than cutting its losses and admitting the obvious: North Korea has the bomb.

But that's apparently the one thing that remains taboo in Washington. Even now, the United States cannot recognize what seems pretty obvious.

We can't admit failure because it requires not merely changing our policy but admitting that we've been wrong. It's far easier to pretend that a better deal is just around the corner. It isn't.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/01/69890...ntent=20190301
There were meetings leading up to this week between Pompeo and Bolton and their counterparts, so why even have a meeting if they knew this up front. There is no question he should not have agreed to those a deal under those conditions, does anyone in the world think otherwise. But there was no harm in continuing to meet for another day, what would be the harm. His abrupt departure gave the appearance that he wanted to create a spectacle rather than negotiate.


The problem is that he made a statement after the last meeting that Kim would denuclearize, no one believes that is the case. Kim isn't going to give up all his leverage.
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