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Old 01-18-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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They shouldn't have to negotiate "in good faith"!!! They have the votes, they should absolutely have the right to say "no".

He's represents the minority without the votes to pass stuff he wants. Elections mean something as Trumpers like to say.
And what votes do they have? They don't have the votes to overturn his veto. Voting him out of office will be a little late considering the government shut down will last 2 years.

 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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After a federal employee has been furloughed for 30 days the president can fire them. The theory is that there are certain people he is trying to get rid of, that he couldn't get rid of before, and that he will just basically hire 90% of the people back after firing them.

However, I don't see why he would say it was an announcement regarding the boarder if that was what he was going to do.
It doesn't apply during a shutdown like this, though.

"As Federal News Network previously reported, agencies will not conduct targeted layoffs, otherwise known as reductions-in-force (RIFs), if the government shutdown hits the 30-day mark.

Federal statute typically instructs agencies to RIF targeted groups of employees who have been placed on furlough status for 30 days or more, but these regulations do not apply during a government shutdown, both OPM and the Office of Management and Budget have stressed."

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/gover...s-30-day-mark/
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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Well thank you! That makes sense in the context.
And it isn't true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fe...rkers-30-days/

Whoops posted at the same time as someone else.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:19 PM
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It’s exactly what Pelosi has been saying they should do. He absolutely should do this.
Really? Pelosi has said that they should reopen for 3 weeks, and then if he doesn't get his way he should declare an emergency?

I thought Pelosi was saying they should reopen, pay the employees, and then continue to figure out what to do about this wall the pres is insisting on. As in, reopen, and we'll keep saying no.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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Really? Pelosi has said that they should reopen for 3 weeks, and then if he doesn't get his way he should declare an emergency?

I thought Pelosi was saying they should reopen, pay the employees, and then continue to figure out what to do about this wall the pres is insisting on. As in, reopen, and we'll keep saying no.
I’m referring to her saying they should open temporarily and allow time to negotiate.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...95559504764930


State of the Union = Broken government.
Congress cannot even secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).


Trump is going to take that power from Congress. 3pm tomorrow.


another extreme and unsupported claim from Bentbow that will never happen....
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:20 PM
 
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Really? Pelosi has said that they should reopen for 3 weeks, and then if he doesn't get his way he should declare an emergency?

I thought Pelosi was saying they should reopen, pay the employees, and then continue to figure out what to do about this wall the pres is insisting on. As in, reopen, and we'll keep saying no.
In other words, Pelosi says to open the government for 3 weeks and then forget anything ever happened and keep the government open from then on with no chance of approving funding for a wall. Yup, like that's going to happen, LOL.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:23 PM
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And it isn't true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fe...rkers-30-days/

Whoops posted at the same time as someone else.
Wait. That says this claim is true. From Snopes:

What's True
Under some circumstances, federal employees can be laid off in targeted "reduction in force" plans, or RiF, after 30 days of government shutdown.

What's False
The current shutdown is an "emergency shutdown" in which federal government employees cannot be laid off in RiF actions.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:24 PM
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In other words, Pelosi says to open the government for 3 weeks and then forget anything ever happened and keep the government open from then on with no chance of approving funding for a wall. Yup, like that's going to happen, LOL.
Yes. I think that's basically it. And I like the plan.

Reopen the govt, pay the workers, and then nope, forget your wall. But at least the federal workers will get paid and will have a little more time to seek employment elsewhere.
 
Old 01-18-2019, 06:25 PM
 
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Hopefully it’s a detailed plan for how the money will be put to use to strengthen the border
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