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Old 01-19-2019, 09:37 AM
 
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This is just the type of cost-effective, intelligent spending the government should be doing to help solve the problem. The wall is an idiotic solution that appeals to people with bumper-sticker sized critical thinking skills. Making the asylum and administrative adjudication process might not be as sexy as a cool-sounding wall, but it will be multiple times more effective in addressing the actual problem.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Houston
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If the senate or Trump are the cause of this not being signed into law then the Republicans without a doubt will be responsible for this shutdown in the minds of the American people. Most people blame them anyway but this will seal the deal if it fails.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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This is just the type of cost-effective, intelligent spending the government should be doing to help solve the problem. The wall is an idiotic solution that appeals to people with bumper-sticker sized critical thinking skills. Making the asylum and administrative adjudication process might not be as sexy as a cool-sounding wall, but it will be multiple times more effective in addressing the actual problem.

Well well, hell hath frozen over, as we agree on something. But still, is 75 judges (saw that number on one of the articles) enough to even keep up with new cases much less reduce the backlog? We also need to hear asylums cases in a LIFO process - hearing newest ones first - to ease the strain on detention centers. I would also like to see a billion (or whatever number is needed) to significantly expand detention capacity.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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The facts prove in the San Diego, Yuma, El Paso and McAllen sectors that the wall works


Until some Hollywood elite or member of the New Democratic Socialist Party is
directly effected by the actions of an illegal alien nothing will change unless we have
a SECURE Border First ! then deal with the other related issues.



"It ain't politically correct, just correct."
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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So high can't get over it...so low can't get under it... must come in through the door way...Not!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0JnlSveowI
Walls and steel slats don't stop anybody who is determined to breach them. Comprehensive internal reform is what's needed, not simple minded solutions.
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Old 01-19-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Well well, hell hath frozen over, as we agree on something. But still, is 75 judges (saw that number on one of the articles) enough to even keep up with new cases much less reduce the backlog? We also need to hear asylums cases in a LIFO process - hearing newest ones first - to ease the strain on detention centers. I would also like to see a billion (or whatever number is needed) to significantly expand detention capacity.
I don't know why that should surprise you - I'm not for illegal immigration, I am just against wasteful spending.

As far as the actual numbers go, I don't know what precise dollar figure is the correct one simply because I'm not I'm not involved in the budgeting process. Whatever the number is that will reduce the backlog and process new applicants faster is the right one. I'm sure someone at DHS and/or DOJ has a rough idea of what it is and if the White House presents the Democrats with a study that says the number should be $1.5 billion or $2 billion instead, then the Democrats should agree to it.

As far as detention centers go, I have no problem with them as long as they are needed. Once the backlog is reduced and processing goes faster, I'm not sure we will.
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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This is just the type of cost-effective, intelligent spending the government should be doing to help solve the problem. The wall is an idiotic solution that appeals to people with bumper-sticker sized critical thinking skills. Making the asylum and administrative adjudication process might not be as sexy as a cool-sounding wall, but it will be multiple times more effective in addressing the actual problem.
To say that the wall is an idiotic solution that appears to people with bumper sticker sized critical thinking skills says something about your own! Nobody is claiming that a wall will solve all our issues! However, if in your opinion, walls don't work then perhaps we should just go ahead and remove what is currently up. Oh yeah, tell Israel to that they have no need for a wall!
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:40 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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They need to compromise. I think that wall would only cover 200 miles. What about the rest of the border? It's around 2000 miles! So the illegals would just go to the other parts of the border that don't have a wall.

Israel has nothing to do with it; they are small. This is a loooooooong border and we have to get more sophisticated about dealing with the problems. Drones, many more border guards, some advanced kind of fences that would really work, etc.

A "wall" sure sounds good but he's only holding out for it because he campaigned on it and he would be embarrassed to back down and "lose."
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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Why not just meet in the middle...asking for $5B and Dems come with 1.3B. Dems should come back at $3B for wall and take whatever concessions they can get. DHS says $5B would do 215 miles of wall system...maybe $3B covers about 125 miles (placed where it’s most needed).
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I'm curious what it is people think that is stopping all these migrant caravans from successfully cruising right on into America now?

It's the wall, people. They are able to make it right up to the wall - they can claw at it, spit on it, kick it, spray paint it ... but very few who try make it successfully to the other side.

It works. It is not, nor has it ever been, touted as a cure-all. It's not. But it's the best first line of defense.
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