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Old 02-08-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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I have no love for criminals, and I realize in these types of stress filled situations you only have milliseconds to react, but it does seem a bit problematic when bodycam footage contradicts police statement. Yes, the teen may have had a replica weapon, but doesn't appear he turned around to point it before he was shot based on the video. I'm not saying I necessarily fault this cop but just saying, public perception.

There probably won't be any mass protests or the like for obvious reasons.

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Read the sentence you posted in red a few times, then ask yourself " If I was a cop, and someone had what appeared to be a gun, would I take any chances ?" Unless you have walked in their shoes and had to make split second decisions, you and I can only second guess them.


His grieving family can cry all they want now, but where were they to teach him a) not to burglarize other peoples property, and b) not to run when the police arrive ? The cops had no idea what they were up against, and with a lot of police being targeted and killed any more, I would be cautious too.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Cop had a reason to lie. The guy who had his truck broken into didn't.
The guy who had his truck broken into probably didn't get a good look at him or didn't watch him. The cop also has a reason to not lie. If they find out that he did lie, he'll lose his job and be charged for at least manslaughter.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That doesn’t carry much weight in the context of the situation. Shooting a suspect who is running away from a non-violent crime is a no-no. That’s not how that Officer was trained. In order for it to meet the threshold of using deadly force, he would’ve had to be running from a violent felony and the Officer would have to have articulable reason that if the suspect was allowed to continue, the the violence would continue. This shooting doesn’t having any of that. His training instructors are probably like “?!?!?!!!!”
It became a felony when he produced the weapon in his hand.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:21 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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It became a felony when he produced the weapon in his hand.
Yes, but not a violent felony. Breaking into an unoccupied vehicle, felony, Officer observes suspect fleeing and hiding with a firearm (we now know that it wasn’t, but we have to move forward with what the Officer observed at the time), the suspect fleeing/hiding/fleeing with a possible firearm is also not a violent felony. What I’ve been saying over and over, and I’ll say it again, is that the suspect’s actions did not reach the level of a deadly force response. I’m 100 percent positive that he wasn’t trained to react that way, he stepped outside of his training, he slipped up.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:23 PM
 
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I would if I believed the suspect presented a danger to the public.
Would you have shot that cop? He was a danger to the public.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:26 PM
 
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Read the sentence you posted in red a few times, then ask yourself " If I was a cop, and someone had what appeared to be a gun, would I take any chances ?"
Hell, yes, I would, just like every one of us does (almost) every second of every day.

We can't kill everyone within range to make sure they don't get us first.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:27 PM
 
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It wasn't an armed robbery "duh", please do try to keep up.
It wasn't a robbery at all.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:34 PM
 
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The cop isn't committing a crime and running from the law.
The cop had a gun and was a danger, and in fact he killed somebody, while the thief didn't. So shooting that cop is much easier to justify than his shooting that thief.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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The guy who had his truck broken into probably didn't get a good look at him or didn't watch him. The cop also has a reason to not lie. If they find out that he did lie, he'll lose his job and be charged for at least manslaughter.
You obviously did not read what the guy said. The police said he had an airsoft gun. They claim he took it from the truck. The guy with the truck admitted he had two airsoft guns in the truck. He said when he got in his truck, they were still there.
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Old 02-09-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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It wasn't a robbery at all.
Take that up with the poster who said it was an “armed robbery”, I never said it was, go quote him.
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