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Old 01-20-2019, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I think people who live inside and watch Fox are the last who should be expressing their "science" on climate change. Things really haven't changed much indoors in most places.
I believe that deniers are under the influence of the Dunning-Kruger effect...The effect is a type of cognitive bias, where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they don’t have enough knowledge to know they don’t have enough knowledge.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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Writing in the periodical "Psychology Today' (????), two PHD's declare that the human race faces extinction and that Psychologists have never before faced 'denial on this scale before'.
He's a p*ss-poor psychologist if he thinks "denial" is involved at all.

We have people resisting a message purveyed by people who lie to them about other stuff all the time. We don't have the time and expertise to identify and interpret the relevant data in the proper framework, so we just have to "trust" the messenger (the Left). But we can't, because the messenger is a known liar. Moreover, the messenger doesn't even act like *it* believes the message. It advocates policies (like immigration) that would exacerbate any AGW that may actually be occurring.

Finally, there's no solution to the problem of AGW if it exists. We can adopt policies that would slow down the change, but we can't reverse anything.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:08 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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If climate change were true, the leadership would be talking about switching to all nuclear power, but they arent. They still fly in private jets.

If agw is true then we should also limit the size of houses. Its a tax scheme, and thats all it is.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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Climate change scientists only focus on one side of the issue: how the earth’s climate is changing.

They conveniently ignore the other side of the issue: how humans will adapt to climate change as they have been for thousands of years. That is where they go wrong.
The climate has been relatively stable for the last 10,000 years of human civilization, when we developed agriculture and formed organized communities. Now we are throwing that stability out the window by pumping trillions of tons of heat-trapping gasses into the atmosphere and drastically changing our environment. Our populations are starting to feel the stress of this with extreme heat waves, drought, floods, fires, storms, etc which will only continue to get worse as time goes on if we continue business as usual.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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I believe that deniers are under the influence of the Dunning-Kruger effect...The effect is a type of cognitive bias, where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they don’t have enough knowledge to know they don’t have enough knowledge.
Good point. For example, why do they listen to non-experts like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity for their source of information on the topic of global warming? How come they don't listen to the scientists themselves who actually do the research and studies for a living?
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Climate change is natural, end of story.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Religion is a belief system. There is a massive amount of scientific evidence and research behind the science of climate change and global warming. Huge difference.
That's what you say. But we have no way of knowing that.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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So, when is this mass human extinction event supposed to start exactly?

The population of the United States and the population of most countries in the world keeps going up every year.
I'm a reasonable person....it's easy to look around the globe and suggest that the human population will continue to grow despite climate change.

It's just that our world will become more of a sewer. Hey, wanna be like India?

There will eventually be competition for resources and drier land. This generally means war.

No one can predict the future. But we CAN look at the data of the past and present.

It's you (types) that seem to be the deniers....

Predictions are just that....predictions. Many of the predictions have already ended up being WAY on the low side, for example sea level rise (see recent articles). At present rates they are now talking in FEET - say from a low of 2 feet to a high of 17 feet or more. I can't do the geography now, but my thought is that would affect billions of people and untold 100's of TRILLIONS of dollars.

And all because you want a 18 MPG SUV instead of an electric car?

It doesn't make sense, but as scientists know.....getting people to care AT ALL about what happens long after they are dead is difficult.

I'll tell you this much. Here in "conservative, Red and Republican governed" Florida, the government and planning agencies and builders and investors and everyone else is taking it really seriously. Really.

You can tell us they are all crazy if you like. But consider who might be right and who may be wrong......do I believe someone who gets their "data" from blogs and hate radio and TV...or from government, planning commissions, developers, scientists, meterologists, etc......

I'll have to think hard. One of them must have superior data.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Climate change scientists only focus on one side of the issue: how the earth’s climate is changing.

They conveniently ignore the other side of the issue: how humans will adapt to climate change as they have been for thousands of years. That is where they go wrong.
Human civilization has only been around for about 6,000 years and industry began in the 1800s. For the past 10,000 years we have enjoyed a favorable climate. I'd like to keep it that way.
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Old 01-20-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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I believe that deniers are under the influence of the Dunning-Kruger effect...The effect is a type of cognitive bias, where people with little expertise or ability assume they have superior expertise or ability. This overestimation occurs as a result of the fact that they don’t have enough knowledge to know they don’t have enough knowledge.
That sounds a lot like those who believe in AGW.
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