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It's *not* better; it's *standard* for certain people and situations. If you want to communicate with smart and educated people, you need to speak their language.
Is it ok for La’Queesha’Lexus at work to axe me a question?
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That weird moment when you realize an SJW will say that grammar is racist when insist on using nonsensical pronouns like ze or terms like "genderqueer", "patriarchy", etc.
In all fairness, what used to be called "ebonics" does have grammar rules.
All language evolves constantly. We've decided, as a society, that the rules the White people speak are correct, and the rules traditionally Black people use are incorrect.
You mean exclusively Black Americans, because Black African languages have the same grammar rules as White languages and also Yellow languages and Brown languages.
Black Americans who tried to speak an Ebonic version of Bantu languages would be castigated in the same way, so it's not a "White Thing" it's a Universal Earth Thing.
I don't guess it ever donned on you that the main problem with Blacks is their total refusal to assimilate, primarily in order to be treated special.
Black Americans create more problems than they solve.
Other cultures come to America and assimilate. Note that the real African Americans -- those who really are from Africa -- don't have the problems Black Americans have.
Haitians, Jamaicans, Kenyans, Somalis, Sudanese, Ghanians, Senagalese, they all come here and prosper and thrive, leaving Black Americans eating dust.
Ask yourself why Blacks from other cultures are so damn successful, while Black Americans are not.
Go to the US Census Bureau website and look at the median income for Haitians and Jamaicans. It's like $20,000 more per year than Black Americans, then ask yourself, "What is it that Haitians and Jamaicans do that Black Americans don't do?"
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You mean exclusively Black Americans, because Black African languages have the same grammar rules as White languages and also Yellow languages and Brown languages.
Black Americans who tried to speak an Ebonic version of Bantu languages would be castigated in the same way, so it's not a "White Thing" it's a Universal Earth Thing.
I don't guess it ever donned on you that the main problem with Blacks is their total refusal to assimilate, primarily in order to be treated special.
Black Americans create more problems than they solve.
Other cultures come to America and assimilate. Note that the real African Americans -- those who really are from Africa -- don't have the problems Black Americans have.
Haitians, Jamaicans, Kenyans, Somalis, Sudanese, Ghanians, Senagalese, they all come here and prosper and thrive, leaving Black Americans eating dust.
Ask yourself why Blacks from other cultures are so damn successful, while Black Americans are not.
Go to the US Census Bureau website and look at the median income for Haitians and Jamaicans. It's like $20,000 more per year than Black Americans, then ask yourself, "What is it that Haitians and Jamaicans do that Black Americans don't do?"
Well, I'm not stepping into that muck.
And the phrase is it "dawned on you". (I just believe we have to understand what idioms mean to understand well, what they mean. Information dawns on you, like a sunrise.)
I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but when we alter our language and/or teaching methodology to plate the lowest common denominator, our culture suffers dramatically as a whole. Let's keep our high standards and if anybody chooses to speak or write otherwise, it's on them.
The easiest thing is to just graduate people that don't write or speak in a professional\educated manner and then blame the companies for not hiring them as racist.
Heck, a lot of public school systems have taken similar approaches with regards to graduating kids. Wooooo Hoooooo graduation rates are up! Now sure, they aren't better educated but you got them graduated so it's not your fault or problem anymore. *ouch*
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I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but when we alter our language and/or teaching methodology to plate the lowest common denominator, our culture suffers dramatically as a whole. Let's keep our high standards and if anybody chooses to speak or write otherwise, it's on them.
I don't know that our syntax is a "high standard", but rather, a "different standard".
Language isn't like math, where there's a wrong or right answer and the wrong answer is wrong.
We've arbitrarily chosen to make our syntax and grammar the chosen sentence/vocabulary structure (and frankly, it sounds better to my ear, just as Rogers and Hammerstein music sounds better to my ear than Rap), but it's still an arbitrary preference.
That's all I think is important to understand. Their cultural language isn't sloppy and unformed - it's just different from our structure.
In all fairness, what used to be called "ebonics" does have grammar rules.
All language evolves constantly. We've decided, as a society, that the rules the White people speak are correct, and the rules traditionally Black people use are incorrect. Because we can. And also, language used by Cajuns is incorrect.
But when educated white people change words (for example, an alternate definition of literally is now figuratively, as in "My eyes literally popped out of my head") they become a part of the accepted correct language. A coffee. Do lunch. Tasked with. A big ask. These are accepted as correct, but they aren't traditionally correct.
Whoa! I'll fight you on "literally"! I don't think your examples are accepted as correct. At least, I hope not. They're just accepted resignedly as something incorrect that isn't worth arguing about every time.
Ebonics may have rules, but that doesn't make it correct. And it doesn't make it broadly acceptable. Certainly not if you're applying for a job.
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