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And how would that be worse? We would all get affordable healthcare, bankruptcies would be reduced, infrastructure would get passed and we may even get a balanced budget.
those indictments have nothing to do with Trump.....if it was, Mueller would have said it in the indictments. it doesn't mention anything about conspiracy in the charges......try again
You simply do not know that....none of us do. If Trump and his team are mixed up in this...that is conspiracy. Again we are waiting on the outcome of this investigation.
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The conspirators used the same bitcoin funds to buy a virtual public network account for communications and to lease a server in Malaysia that hosted DCLeaks.com. They used the Malaysian server to log into the Twitter account of the online hacker persona Guccifer 2.0, and the same server was used to register websites used for hacking the Democratic committees, according to the indictment.
You simply do not know that....none of us do. If Trump and his team are mixed up in this...that is conspiracy. Again we are waiting on the outcome of this investigation.
wishful thinking....if any U.S. citizen is part of that conspiracy it would be mention in those indictments against those Russians.
and those indictments that will never see the light in court doesn't mention anything specific of what DNC emails were hacked and if it is the Podesta and Clinton emails published in Wikileaks.....you know the ones that the DNC refused to hand over the servers to the FBI to investigate and the emails that Podesta and Hillary refused to authenticate to the FBI.
Why did the DNC refuse to hand over their servers to the FBI? why did Podesta and Hillary refuse to authenticate their emails published on Wikileaks? ......was it an inside job that gave those emails to WikiLeaks? so many questions.
wishful thinking....if any U.S. citizen is part of that conspiracy it would be mention in those indictments against those Russians.
and those indictments that will never see the light in court doesn't mention anything specific of what DNC emails were hacked and if it is the Podesta and Clinton emails published in Wikileaks.....you know the ones that the DNC refused to hand over the servers to the FBI to investigate and the emails that Podesta and Hillary refused to authenticate to the FBI.
Why did the DNC refuse to hand over their servers to the FBI? why did Podesta and Hillary refuse to authenticate their emails published on Wikileaks? ......was it an inside job that gave those emails to WikiLeaks? so many questions.
Please...enough with the assumptions. Do you think the Special Counsel expected to see these Russians?? Of course not...they are laying down the case that Russia hacked into US Servers...thus the indictments. What we are waiting on is the outcome of this investigation...Was Trump and his team involved in this?? Nobody knows right now but Mueller does...and he is not going to issue indictments against Americans until all T's are crossed and the i's are dotted. Again no one knows the outcome of this investigation.
If it is proved that the Trump campaign (which Pence was a candidate for) colluded with the Russians, Pence's position is compromised as it came about through illegal cooperation with a foreign power which influenced the election of both the President and Vice-president as they run on a joint ticket campaign.
Ummm, that isn't how it works. Not even remotely how it works. President Pence would have to be guilty of high crime or misdemeanor and convicted by the U.S. Senate. Simply would never happen.
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yep. same thoughts here. i'm curious if a VP could be simultaneously impeached with a POTUS or if it would require the POTUS going thru impeachment hearings, being impeached, the VP being sworn in as POTUS then going thru a second set of impeachment hearings.
If you completed Middle School civics class, you should know the answer already.
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my guess in all this has been we'll see something similar to agnew/ford/nixon. pence will step down first for some vague reason ( "more time with family", "creative differences" ), trump will appoint a new VP that was unconnected to the campaign and/or trump. the crap hits the fan, trump resigns and VP X becomes POTUS and gives full blanket pardon for any past or potential crimes to trump and pence.
You really did skip Middle School civics, didn't you? Agnew resigned because he was facing indictment in a criminal complaint.
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould
Once the handwriting was on the wall with Nixon, the Republicans moved Ford in place. Agnew was damaged goods and Ford was the perfect placeholder. Per the agreement, once Ford was POTUS he moved quickly to pardon Nixon.
Agnew resigned long before there was any there was any indication Nixon might be forced from office, otherwise Ford would never have been confirmed by the Senate, which had 58 Democrats and 42 Republicans.
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He's gone in 2020 if this shutdown goes into February, if he isn't impeached or resigned by the election.
The longer the shutdown goes, the worse things get for Pelosi. If it goes until February, the Democrats will lynch Pelosi.
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Why would he be re-elected? 35% support is not a majority. His approval is somewhere around 40% and we're still waiting for Muellers report. I don't think that's going to help him. And Giuliani's rants are not helping at all.
You make the mistake of assuming that approval ratings are the same thing as an election. By your logic, Barack Obama should have lost 2012 since his 2011 approval rating was 40%. What matters is who you are running against and how people feel about you on election day.
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Ford was Speaker of the House. He wasn't just plucked out of Congress at random.
Does any Leftie ever take a U.S. History course? Ford was never Speaker. Newt Gingrich was the first Republican Speaker in 40 years.
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