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just because someone owns a gun does not mean they fear for their lives.. people own guns for different reasons. Just cause you don't own one doesn't mean other should not.
just because someone owns a gun does not mean they fear for their lives.. people own guns for different reasons. Just cause you don't own one doesn't mean other should not.
Mainly fear! Why else would they be so adamant about owning one.
Hunting? Bow and arrow?
Govt tyrrany?
Does ANYONE really think the US will slide into 3rd world govt oppressive tyranny? Also best of luck taking on the American military and govt there Cletus
Sport? Maybe, but there are plenty of skill fitness based sports where an insecure man can test or show off his manhood
Need to feel powerful? I can see THIS one- especially in America
But mainly it's fear! Americans as a whole are motivated by fear.
Just admit it
Absolutely not, I'm honestly curious: if people who carry a gun for self-protection/piece of mind, then logic would dictate they feel less safe without a gun. I was wondering to what extent that feeling went.
I carry a gun when I am able, and when convenient. The other times I go unarmed, but I don't feel unsafe. I do feel a that I can respond to a life threatening situation bettery with a gun, but I really don't think about it either way. For many years, I never, ever carried a gun. Got a permit to make transporting guns, and ammo to the range more easily, then started carrying when I was able.
Mainly fear! Why else would they be so adamant about owning one.
Hunting? Bow and arrow?
Govt tyrrany?
Does ANYONE really think the US will slide into 3rd world govt oppressive tyranny? Also best of luck taking on the American military and govt there Cletus
Sport? Maybe, but there are plenty of skill fitness based sports where an insecure man can test or show off his manhood
Need to feel powerful? I can see THIS one- especially in America
But mainly it's fear! Americans as a whole are motivated by fear.
Just admit it
Alot of Vietnamese and Afghanis who were mere peasants with AKs were quite effective at taking on and holding back the American military...
Their respective "cletus" and "bubba" either rice paddy farmers or goat herders dwelling in caves and tunnels. Vs the most superior military in the world.
You seem to have this failure to comprehend something basic, in the argument of American people armed to fight tyranny/.gov forces...
Ready?
Tanks? Fighter jets? A10 warthogs? Reaper drones? Artillery?
Those are tools of destruction. Not enforcement.
Ever hear of this thing called... the Tet offensive?
Sporadic engagements created chaos.
Then there was the whole, Ramadan bombathon.
If you've paid any attention to military affairs for the past 50 years? You'd realize the significance of home field advantage, never to under estimate the peasant and their small arms.
If. If tyranny were to come to fruition, it will only be so once the arms are seized.
The founding fathers wrote this amendment for we the people to overthrow a failed tyrannical state to re establish a free state by forming militias with an expressed importance of the right to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
I question the ulterior motives of anyone who seeks gun control.
I don't buy it for one second it has anything to do with public safety for the simple fact the CDC charts show other implements and means kill in far greater numbers than firearms, annually.
Every year there are 50k+ deaths involving implements and not a single one is cause for the same attention to banning/regulating like the 11k or so homicides, the 22k or so suicides and 500 +/- 100 accident related deaths like firearms.
Fear?
If I were compelled by feeble emotions. I wouldn't drive. Not this time of the year in South Florida with all those half blind arthritic knuckled snowbirds piloting Cadillacs Buicks, and SUVs. I stand a far higher chance being taken out by granny and gramps on the road than I do by a homicidal scumbag.
But I'm not compelled by fear/emotion. Logic tells me don't get caught behind or near that out of state plate doing 10-15mph under the speed limit and to keep an eye out for that idiot that decides to shoot across 3 lanes before they miss their exit last minute, or darts out of a side street or right in front of you to get into that Plaza for that blue plate special on senior discount day.
Nah. Fear is not a compelling factor. That's your projection. Perhaps your logic derived from emotion.
What is a compelling factor is understanding that certain risks exist and to plan accordingly. Hold yourself, and your ability, to be responsible for your safety and security, or be reliant on someone else/police. Demonizing ones right to keep and bear arms for whatever purpose as they see fit, conflating the weapon they seek with a behavior/mind set is feeble lemming admittance of I don't understand why someone likes something I don't so I'll try to justify it the worst way I possibly can.
Muh fear. Muh powah...
LOL if I want to feel powerful I'll build another race car.
You're a single woman, living alone. Five men working for a local gang that does crap work for the cartels break into your home because they know you're American and you probably have expensive electronics.
If you raise a gun, well,
1) It's 5 against 1. Do those odds look good to you?
2) You have immediately escalated the situation. ONE of them is going to shoot you. Guaranteed.
And most importantly, when abroad:
3) When abroad, you are subject to the laws of the nation in which you have a visa to live/work. The United States government may or may not bother to do anything about you, especially not after you murdered all of those men.
And also, can foreigners even purchase guns?
Assuming that someone is a colossal moron with zero sense of self-preservation, and is willing to fight five men with significantly greater firepower alone, by himself. Let's also assume he survives.
He is now embroiled in the local and national judicial system. Which again, I remind you, may as well be a kangaroo court for all that you know.
I mean, you can just have my goddamn credit cards, computer, laptop, TV, phone... I was going to say clothing, but very few men of this type are going to know Halston from holstein.
1) 5-1 for me in my own home? Absolutely. Regardless, my mind would never allow me to see those odds and come to the conclusion that hoping they take my stuff and leave is the better option.
2). NO, they did by breaking into my home, accosting me on the street, etc. Chosen victims NEVER escalate the situation unless we're referring to some ridiculous scenario where a 6 year old attempts to rob a bodybuilder and the bodybuilder pounds the 6 year old to a pulp.
3) I don't care about abroad. Different laws, completely inapplicable to my decision whether or not to own/carry guns which is what this thread is about.
FYI, you intentionally crafted your scenario assuming a weak, helpless, untrained victim. I guarantee you with near 100% certainty that if 5 armed men break into my home, a few of them will be leaving in body bags, if not all of them depending on their level of training, alertness, armament, preparedness, etc.
Earlier I said flat out that you can call it whatever you want. Anyone who reacts to "fear" being thrown around as a slur against gun owners needs to work on their temperament. You can call me a racist white supremacist simply for owning guns (many do), I don't care. The reasons you assign for my gun ownership will never be mine regardless.
Mainly fear! Why else would they be so adamant about owning one.
Hunting? Bow and arrow?
Govt tyrrany?
Does ANYONE really think the US will slide into 3rd world govt oppressive tyranny? Also best of luck taking on the American military and govt there Cletus
Sport? Maybe, but there are plenty of skill fitness based sports where an insecure man can test or show off his manhood
Need to feel powerful? I can see THIS one- especially in America
But mainly it's fear! Americans as a whole are motivated by fear.
Just admit it
Have you ever even thought of this there, Cletus?
It's highly unlikely that the Pentagon's arsenal would be used against American civilians. If so the military would be destroying their own friends, family and neighborhoods. There would be absolutely nothing left for them to come back to. Not only that but if the civilian population were destroyed who'd supply the military with supplies? There'd be nobody left to work the factories and farm the fields. All commerce would come to a grinding halt. My guess is that they would disobey orders, and in all probability would use those weapons against those that ordered them to do so.
About the only way they could possibly do it would be to go on house to house searches where they would be met with overwhelming and fierce resistance. As the armed civilian population at around 100 million or so would vastly outnumber government forces even if only 10% of that number took up arms and resisted. The United States with it's superior military force couldn't beat back the North Vietnamese, short of using nuclear weapons. In which case there would have been a third world war and the end of all life as we know it.
You seem to forget that a large percent of active duty and retired military and law enforcement personal are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional Law. It wouldn't surprise me if they joined forces with the civilian population that takes up arms in the fight against a tyrannical form of government.
It will be interesting to see who's side the military will take in Venezuela? Already there has been talk about mass defections within the military from Maduro. Now just try to imagine there Cletus, if Venezuelan citizens had a 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms? I'll give you a hint there Cletus: It's highly unlikely that Maduro or Hugo Chavez would have gotten away with destroying their own country and the lives of the millions that live there.
As far as being motivated by fear. It's those who wish to abolish the 2nd Amendment that are motivated by fear of their fellow citizens being lawfully armed. Otherwise they wouldn't be even thinking about or suggesting total civilian disarmament through oppressive gun control legislation. If they weren't trying to turn the United States of America into another socialist aristocracy like Venezuela then they should have nothing to fear of citizens being lawfully armed. If the government doesn't trust the citizens to lawfully bear arms, then how can the citizens ever trust the government when only the government has the arms?
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The debate over gun control can be summed up thusly: Those of us who don't like guns in the hands of our non-costumed brethren, will vote to ensure men with guns, under the guise of the "law," will come and take the property that is rightfully yours, killing you should you resist our will sufficiently.
This is what we call "violence by-proxy" and makes the voter for violence no less culpable in the extortion and death that will ensue.
As Stefan Molyneux correctly observed; if a person claims they are non-violent and are for “gun control” they are not truly anti-gun nor are they non-violent people - because the reality is that guns and violence will be needed to disarm innocent law abiding people.
This is because those people who claim they are anti-gun and anti-violence, who claim to support “gun control,” will need the credible threat of police violence and the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns should they resist the attempt to further centralize their monopoly on violence.
So those who claim to be anti-gun and anti-violence are really very pro-gun and very pro-violence. They ultimately believe that only government officials (which are of course portrayed as reliable, honest, moral, and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. This obviously flies in the face of reality as the 20th century has proven once and for all.
It’s important to note that those who advocate this type of centralized monopoly of violence do so as cowards, because it’s not their lives on the line, rather they advocate others using violence on their behalf in order to force their misguided views on innocent people who wish to do nothing other than protect themselves and other innocents.
There is no such thing as "gun control," there is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political class and the forces they control which, as recent history has proven is a murderous nightmare for the peace loving, disenfranchised, and disarmed citizenry.--Ron Danielowski
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If you don't like our Constitution and Bill of Rights, just admit it there Cletus. I'd suggest instead of leaving WI maybe you'd be better off leaving the United States and taking up residency in Venezuela? That would probably be more to your liking.
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Trying to convince us or yourself?
Yes you have the right to own property- you can own just about ANY thing; yet your first mention( and probably first choice too)was a gun!
They NEVER admit it's fear; it's always a million other reasons- mostly the unlikliest of scenarios that have a 0.00000000000001% of EVER happening!
Just Admit it- it's fear.
Ya, that explains so many threads about guns started by people that know zero about firearms huh. Unloaded it is a stick, inanimate object. Why would someone be afraid of a piece of metal.
Hunting deer in the desert is not impossible but outright difficult with a bow. Even with rifles the average shot is 300 yards.
The only thing I've seen is reactions to stupid statements made by politicians that want to ban them. When someone states there is about to be a ban and in the fine print states, except those that currently own them, there is going to be a reaction to the statement. Buying more.
I don't live in fear, in fact the opposite is true, I also have a concealed carry permit and at certain times will carry. I'm a Realtor and have been in some neighborhoods that you feel safer when armed.
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