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So you are willing to help the women who need it, with medical care, financial help, and anything else they may need to raise their child, even if it means using your tax dollars to do so? Willing to foster/adopt the kids that end up in homes? What?
Bishop Slams Andrew Cuomo for Signing Bill Legalizing Abortions Up to Birth: You’re No Catholic
Finally a bishop comes out to condemn this and not be so weak kneed by last years from the church of "nice".
That’s plenty reason for one Catholic bishop to rip the governor:
The bishop of the Diocese of Alabany attempted to convince New York Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo not to sign a bill that removes all restrictions on abortion in the state, but Cuomo signed it anyway.
In an open letter in The Evangelist, the Most Rev. Edward B. Scharfenberger condemned Cuomo’s support of abortion before the governor signed the Reproductive Health Act (RHA), which repealed the state’s 24-week abortion ban, among other things. Scharfenberger penned the open letter ahead of Cuomo’s signing ceremony.
“Although in your recent State of the State address you cited your Catholic faith and said we should ‘stand with Pope Francis,’ your advocacy of extreme abortion legislation is completely contrary to the teachings of our pope and our Church,” Scharfenberger said. “Once truth is separated from fiction and people come to realize the impact of the bill, they will be shocked to their core. By that time, however, it may be too late to save the countless lives that will be lost or spare countless women lifelong regret.”
The bishop said the recently signed legislation “threatens to rupture the communion between the Catholic faith and those who support the RHA” because of the bill’s “aggressive extremism.”
“It is very difficult to understand how you can align yourself with Pope Francis and so vehemently advocate such profoundly destructive legislation,” Scharfenberger said. “I find myself wondering how it can be viewed as ‘progress’ to have gone from a society working to make abortion ‘rare’ to one that urges women to ‘shout your abortion’ as some advocates of this bill boldly announce.”
I love how bishops who cover up for child-molesters priests can feign outrage over others, yet fail to see the log in their eye and God knows where else! Words of Wisdom from Bishop Ben Dover!
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If continuing the pregnancy was a threat to the mother's health, would you say damn the woman, save the fetus? Why is the fetus more important than the mother?
JAMS, in cases where the mothers health is in jeopardy late in pregnancy, they deliver the fetus. That's what you do.
And it's fairly frequent - cholestasis, pre-eclampsia, placenta previa with dangerous bleeding, etc. It happens frequently that to preserve the health of the mother (and by doing so, save the baby too) the baby is delivered early, and steroids are given to the baby before birth to increase the baby's chance of survival.
As I read this, a woman could abort a baby at 39 weeks if she develops any of those conditions. Which is an absolute outrage.
I can't see how you can square this with the hippocratic oath.
In human development, a fetus, also spelled foetus, is a prenatal human between its embryonic state and its birth. The fetal stage of development tends to be taken as beginning at the gestational age of eleven weeks, i.e. nine weeks after fertilization. In biological terms, however, prenatal development is a continuum, with no clear defining feature distinguishing an embryo from a fetus.
Fetus - Wikipedia
At least the definition says a human. In Latin it young one. Some can twist it all they want but can't deny science.
Wikipedia is not “science”.
Let this scientist, speak some actual science for a moment. To be “alive” an organism needs to meet several criteria, the one most relevant here is homeostasis. All things that are alive maintain homeostasis. Homeostasis, the ability to maintain ones own internal environment as separate and distinct from its environs. As a fetus cannot maintain temperature homeostasis, metabolic homeostasis, indeed any homeostasis at all outside of the womb it is not “alive”. Not until the point of viability at best.
So not only is a fetus not a person, it doesn’t even meet the scientific definition of alive.
In 100 years from now, hopefully the population will have moved away from the Dark Ages of the influence of the religious right, everyone will be afforded free birth control, and comprehensive sex ed will be mandatory in every school. And abortion will be rare because of these changes, but available when needed. I'm hoping we will be a much more enlightened society and much less governed by authoritarian superstition by then.
I’m thinking every female will be spayed at birth and only the ones who prove worthy will be fixed to have children. It should be a privilege for serious, responsible women. That is the way you are making things.
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That whole thing about 'the mother's health' is horsehi$. Please give me an example of where you had to kill a baby to save the mother. You can't because it's just another stupid Democrat talking point to push abortion like 'men shouldn't tell women what to do with their bodies' and 'PP doesn't use tax $$ for abortions'. It's all lies.
You don't have to kill the baby, is the thing. But in many cases, you do have to deliver it early, which is what is done everywhere else except that crazy state.
I love how bishops who cover up for child-molesters priests can feign outrage over others, yet fail to see the log in their eye and God knows where else! Words of Wisdom from Bishop Ben Dover!
Exactly. But what you have to understand about the Catholic Church is that they cover for the child molesters because they are men. But any man who advocates for women to control their own lives must be put down, lest other Catholic men start viewing women as equals. They absolutely cannot have that!
If continuing the pregnancy was a threat to the mother's health, would you say damn the woman, save the fetus? Why is the fetus more important than the mother?
This is nonsense and doesn't happen. Give me one example of where you need to kill a baby to save a mother.
You don't have to kill the baby, is the thing. But in many cases, you do have to deliver it early, which is what is done everywhere else except that crazy state.
Absolutely indefensible.
That’s not what the bill says, not that you care. Keep tilting at windmills
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