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Old 01-24-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Well...... She did spend 4 years at a Ivy League University so that she could work as a bartender.


I'm thinking other young people might have done a bit more with such a degree.
You mean done more with their degree than become a Congresswoman? The youngest woman ever to be elected to that position?

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Old 01-24-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Are conservatives really concerned that the US could actually become a socialist country? Democratic-Socialism is completely different than Socialism, and everyone should look this up to see the difference.

I think that when she’s eligible to become president, she would probably get elected. She’s smart, young, energetic, and is against racism, sexism, and homophobia! She also has plans for our economy that will help everyone in our country.
1. democratic socialism is still socialism, or you might be able to call it socialism lite, aka fascism....
social democracy is a self-proclaimed international revolutionary socialist party, aiming to abolish capitalism by any means necessary -- including the ballot box.


Thus electioneering results in the fight being carried out by means of leaders, in which the masses can play but a minor role. In practice it means a handful of individuals, the representatives, carry on the struggle on behalf of the masses. It can only lead to the illusion that others can do the fighting for us - regardless of the wishes of the leaders in question. Once radicals are elected the whole focal point of struggle changes. Rather than direct struggle against the state and the boss, this is no longer needed as the elected representatives will act or people will think they will act and so not act themselves. They have elected someone to fight for them and so do not need to fight themselves. If radicals are elected to fight for people, can we be surprised if people do not act themselves? The notion that reforms (indeed, the revolution) would be the work of leaders acting on behalf of the masses soon followed, with the masses reduced to voters and followers, not active participants in the struggle.

Moreover, socialist support for electioneering is somewhat at odds with their claims of being in favour of collective, mass action. There is nothing more isolated, atomized and individualistic than voting. It is the total opposite of collective struggle. The individual is alone before, during and after the act of voting. Unlike direct action, which, by its very nature, throws up new forms of organization in order to manage and co-ordinate the struggle, voting creates no alternative organs of working class self-management. Nor can it. It is not based on, nor does it create, collective action or organization. Given that socialists often slander anarchists as "individualists" the irony is delicious!

you do realize that socialism, social democracy, communism, nazisism, and fascism are all part of the same family.

look at the kinship between communism, fascism, and liberalism. All derive from the same tradition that goes back to the Jacobins of the French Revolution. His revised political spectrum would focus on the role of the state and go from libertarianism to conservatism to fascism in its many guises – American, Italian, German, Russian, Chinese, Cuban, and so on.
As this listing suggests, fascism is flexible; different iterations differ in specifics but they share "emotional or instinctual impulses." Mussolini tweaked the socialist agenda to emphasize the state; Lenin made workers the vanguard party; Hitler added race. If the German version was militaristic, the American one which could be called liberal fascism is nearly pacifist.

The Social Democrats, USA is the same Socialist Party of America as is has been since August 1, 1901, an is LEFT WING. Social Democratic Party was originally founded June 11, 1898 as a direct political offshoot of the communalist Social Democracy of America (Labor Day Message of 1897 by Eugene Victor Debs). After a merger with the Socialist Party of America (1901) the party remained essentially the same although the named varied a few times. From 1900 (before its formal union) to 1912, the Socialist Party ran Eugene Debs for President at each election. The best showing ever for a Socialist ticket was in 1912, when Debs gained 901,551 total votes, or 6% of the popular vote. we are the party of Eugene Debs, Mother Jones, Helen Keller, Carl Sandburg, Norman Thomas, A. Philip Randolph, Bayard Rustin.


2. her ""plans"" for the economy will hurt everyone, especially the poor
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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" Why do so many people hate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?"

Why do so many liberal believe EVERYONE HATES (fill in the blanks) just because THEY HATE so much.
This looks like projecting.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I dont hate her. I just think she is a child, with all the stupidity that goes along with it. And I don’t necessarily mean “unintelligent” stupid. I mean the kind of stupid that comes from limited life experience. I dont think she should be in congress, but the law says otherwise.

By law, a 25 year old can be a member of congress. But that was written at a time when humans had to mature a lot quicker than today, and life expectancy was only like 40 years at the time. These days, a lot of people dont even leave home until they are 30.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:36 AM
 
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AOC is engaging young folks from all different walks of life whether minority, immigrants, LGBT etc. The GOP don't have a candidate or politician that can engage and interact on the level AOC has attracted to politics. There is a threat that she will shift even more young voters away from the GOP party. If she wasn't a threat, they won't be obsessed with her every word on a daily basis. She represents a portion of the country's demographic shift.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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AOC is engaging young folks from all different walks of life whether minority, immigrants, LGBT etc. The GOP don't have a candidate or politician that can engage and interact on the level AOC has attracted to politics. There is a threat that she will shift even more young voters away from the GOP party. If she wasn't a threat, they won't be obsessed with her every word on a daily basis. She represents a portion of the country's demographic shift.
It’s got nothing to do with fear. Young people don’t vote anyway.

They are obsessed with her because if you can emphasize the more radical elements of your opponent’s party, your own party becomes more attractive to the moderates.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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I say BS. As a woman and a conservative I have to ask the question, "Why can't you democrats come up with an intelligent, reasonable candidate to like?" Pelosi, Waters, Ocasio-Cortez, Feinstein, Warren, and Hillary really? These are your parties most influential "thinkers"? Put forth a candidate who has integrity, not a hypocrite, and a modicum of intelligence and then maybe we'd take your party serious. Until then, we just laugh AT you not WITH you......
And yet your party nominated Trump....
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: NC
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Why do so many people hate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?
Fear
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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And yet your party nominated Trump....
Not my party either.... I'm partyless.... I lean to the right on more issues but I'm not affiliated with any. Thank God!
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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She talks like an adolescent that's had a couple of beers. She hasn't accomplished anything and has nothing constructive to offer. Like Obama.
Won international science fair award for in vivo research on anti-oxidants, graduated from a top university, youngest woman ever elected to Congress. Nope...she hasn't accomplished anything
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