Why don't Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats want our Homeland secured? (gallon, accuse)
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Ignore the problems........like jobs being offered. I look at it different. Address that or let them come by the millions.
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Originally Posted by chopchop0
Glad you agree the wall is useless as an effective long term deterrent, esp considering the cost. Yes we need to enforce more against employers.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
The rest of us want something which would actually work.
According to who? Statistics show border crossings peaked in 1985 and again in 2000, and then fell by about 50% in a matter of few years before any walls were built.
Little-to-nothing is going to be done against employers(IE in those states where e-verify is mandatory, it has made no difference). And a large portion of illegal-immigrants are working for individuals, who find them in front of places like Home Depot looking for day-labor. The enforcement of the laws is almost impossible, and there is no real political-will to do it.
And I find it obnoxious that "the left" rambles about the wall. But other than their hatred of corporations exploiting cheap labor, they could care less about immigration. They want sanctuary cities. They allow illegals to vote in local-elections, they give illegals driver's licenses and government benefits, and a large number of them want the abolition of ICE.
Nothing is actually going to be done about immigration, because the business-interests in the country love it, and because the left refuses to enforce the laws.
The wall won't stop all illegal-immigration. But to claim that the wall does nothing, would be like claiming that the walls/fences we already have, do nothing. Nonsense.
The border patrol says that the walls and fences are absolutely essential to their job. But so long as people in America continue to hire illegals(and they will, and nothing is going to change that), then the wall is merely a bandaid that at best slows down the flow, but is not a solution.
So is slowing down the flow even a few percent worth $5 billion? To people like myself, absolutely. Being that the $5 billion is just .1% of the federal budget, and would be a one-time expense.
Will people stop hiring illegal-immigrants? Will illegals stop being involved in underground markets, such as drugs and prostitution? Will sanctuary cities cease to exist?
I don't find this debate overly interesting. The only reason I even get involved in this stupidity, is that I get triggered when people claim "walls don't do anything". Nonsense.
As I've pointed out many times, "The wall" does nothing about the who really knows how many million that are already here.
Most of the illegal immigrant families with anchor children who are already in the United States will simply remain in the United States until they kick the bucket. Their descendants will blend in with the rest of society over time.
Except this is a highly partisan issue... Only one group wants the wall which will cost tens of billions, while the majority of the country would prefer that money be spent elsewhere
That the "right" points out in the past that the (D)'s supported building a wall is in fact true. Yes, it's a partisan issue. No matter what position one side takes, the other will take the other side and then flip when it becomes convenient.
Neither party is addressing the issue. The large number of low paying jobs being offered for people to come here illegally.
I have 2 friends whose DH's work for the DEA. They have told me for years whatever the USA comes up with to stop drug smuggling, the smugglers can defeat within days.
Well, apparently a significant portion if our population seriously entertains the thought that they can't figure out how to defeat a wall. That says something about us.
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Most of the illegal immigrant families with anchor children who are already in the United States will simply remain in the United States until they kick the bucket. Their descendants will blend in with the rest of society over time.
That’s pretty much all there is to it.
I do not disagree that this is what will happen. So we can continue to allow business to push their costs off on society or create a way to allow these people to contribute.
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