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Old 01-25-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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With some US of the recent socialist candidates making headlines and promises to the likes I'd never thought I'd hear in my lifetime, I wonder if it really wouldn't be better for the country if there wasn't an appeasement made of some sort.

Socialist Demands:
Free Education
Free Housing
Free Healthcare

I understand when the very old look for things like this, but am so surprised to hear the very young clamoring for it. Perhaps as the teenage job has died down, people haven't learned the value of a job and the satisfaction learning growing and achieving something that you wanted but couldn't have gets.

But maybe I'm being old fashioned. Still, for you socialists to muse, there is a place, right here in the USA, where those demands are granted, free of charge, to all of the residents. In the link you can even setup for a trip to see it for yourself.

https://www.re-member.org/pine-ridge-reservation.aspx

Go explore and see for yourself what socialism does, even in Exceptional USA.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Well, at least this is a better attempt than those Venezuela ones. Though not by much.

The failing of your attempt is that it is located in the US. Thus it is still under the laws of the US.

As has been noted several times recently, the model for US liberals is more like this or this.

It's terribly curious how the conservatives here keep avoiding those two examples. And that is, of course, because they'd have a hard time trying to tell everyone those two were miserable failures of socialism/liberalism.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Once again, here we go ...

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World
China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

I suppose you could pick on China as a "failure," but especially these days, it's doing OK for a failure. Aside from that, I'd love to hear the cons here try to tell everybody how Finland and New Zealand are such miserable failures that nobody should ever want to emulate them.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:41 PM
 
Location: PSL
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As has been noted several times recently, the model for US liberals is more like this or this.
How about move there?

I moved out of NY because I couldn't stand the politics the taxes and arbitrary laws.
If it's a matter of moving expenses I'll gladly start a go fund me for the cause.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Once again, here we go ...

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World
China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

I suppose you could pick on China as a "failure," but especially these days, it's doing OK for a failure. Aside from that, I'd love to hear the cons here try to tell everybody how Finland and New Zealand are such miserable failures that nobody should ever want to emulate them.
The only thing I can think of is they take in too many economic migrants.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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A solution for socialists


Invest in a puppy mill. Ensure your food supply should you get the socialism you want.

I have actually eaten dog meat and its nasty. However it will be one of the more pleasant experiences you will have with socialism.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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How about move there?

I moved out of NY because I couldn't stand the politics the taxes and arbitrary laws.
If it's a matter of moving expenses I'll gladly start a go fund me for the cause.
I lived in Washington state for 28 years until recently. Would have been glad to stay there, but I didn't like the weather.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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With some US of the recent socialist candidates making headlines and promises to the likes I'd never thought I'd hear in my lifetime, I wonder if it really wouldn't be better for the country if there wasn't an appeasement made of some sort.

Socialist Demands:
Free Education
Free Housing
Free Healthcare

I understand when the very old look for things like this, but am so surprised to hear the very young clamoring for it. Perhaps as the teenage job has died down, people haven't learned the value of a job and the satisfaction learning growing and achieving something that you wanted but couldn't have gets.

But maybe I'm being old fashioned. Still, for you socialists to muse, there is a place, right here in the USA, where those demands are granted, free of charge, to all of the residents. In the link you can even setup for a trip to see it for yourself.

https://www.re-member.org/pine-ridge-reservation.aspx

Go explore and see for yourself what socialism does, even in Exceptional USA.
Ah, yes. The reservation everyone wants to, but can’t move out from.

Maybe if more capital wasn’t deprived from them due to a lack of money, they could better organize their society.

Also, why is a long life expectancy good?
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Well, at least this is a better attempt than those Venezuela ones. Though not by much.

The failing of your attempt is that it is located in the US. Thus it is still under the laws of the US.

As has been noted several times recently, the model for US liberals is more like this or this.

It's terribly curious how the conservatives here keep avoiding those two examples. And that is, of course, because they'd have a hard time trying to tell everyone those two were miserable failures of socialism/liberalism.
Right , Denmark and Canada being fraction of the size of the population of the U.S.A, and two countries that are not particularly known for innovation of any notable size, I mean we hear often how immigrants came to the U.S.A and changed themselves and the world, when was the last time you heard that from a socialist country.

The only people migrating to Denmark or other surrounding nations in any quantity are poor homeless Muslims.



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Old 01-25-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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Winston Churchill wrote that “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”


"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,'
they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate


“A Liberal Paradise would be a place where everybody
has guaranteed employment, free comprehensive healthcare,
free education, free food, free housing, free clothing, free utilities;
and only Law Enforcement has guns.

Such a place does exist.

It’s called prison.”

(Ayn Rand)



We can learn quite a bit from the past






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