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Old 01-31-2019, 08:39 AM
 
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... It was during the Obama regime that co2 was deemed as POLLUTION! Pseudo science at its WORST!
Wrong.

Carbon in itself is not a pollutant, any more than polypropylene, lead or rubbing alcohol.

But too much in the wrong place can be polluting. A large spill of isopropyl alcohol into a river can be a pollutant, a little bit in your aftershave is not.

Climate contrarians want to endanger the EPA climate endangerment finding

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The importance of the EPA endangerment finding
Briefly, the endangerment finding stemmed from a 2007 Supreme Court decision in which 12 states sued the EPA, calling on the agency to regulate carbon pollution under the Clean Air Act. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of those states, ordering EPA to determine if greenhouse gas emissions endanger public health and welfare. After considering the scientific evidence, including the latest IPCC report, national climate science assessments, etc., the EPA issued its endangerment finding correctly concluding that carbon pollution clearly endangers public health and welfare via its climate change impacts. As a result, the EPA is legally required to regulate carbon pollution.
Please note that the Supreme Court decision ordering the EPA to act occurred before Obama was president, and the EPA began it's work on this under president Bush.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Issues like AGW are not problems that most politicians really want to solve or even think the can solve. Its just a way to get people excited to vote for them. Take the war on drugs. Politicians promote solutions that are not really solutions to try to get elected. We could solve the drug problem, but people wouldnt like a real solution, so they just keep throwing money at the problem to make themselves look good so that they can get elected.

Its the same with the immigration issue and AGW.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Wrong.

Carbon in itself is not a pollutant, any more than polypropylene, lead or rubbing alcohol.

But too much in the wrong place can be polluting. A large spill of isopropyl alcohol into a river can be a pollutant, a little bit in your aftershave is not.

Climate contrarians want to endanger the EPA climate endangerment finding



Please note that the Supreme Court decision ordering the EPA to act occurred before Obama was president, and the EPA began it's work on this under president Bush.
More hysteria. Hey, captain science, carbon and carbon dioxide are not the same.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:18 AM
 
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Here is a good interactive article from the WaPo:

GONE IN A GENERATION
Across America, climate change is already disrupting lives

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The continental United States is 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than it was a century ago. Seas at the coasts are nine inches higher. The damage is mounting from these fundamental changes, and Americans are living it. These are their stories.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.0b303d5faef5
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: London
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"Omg i found so much cheap food in my local Walmart! World hunger is obviously a hoax!!!"
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Here is a good interactive article from the WaPo:

GONE IN A GENERATION
Across America, climate change is already disrupting lives

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...=.0b303d5faef5
I'll ask you the same question I asked Heyschos yesterday.


What are we going to do about it?
* Ban cars?
* Ban airline travel (except for the elites of course)
* Ban manufacturing?
* Ban air conditioners?
* Force EVERYONE to buy solar panels?
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:39 AM
 
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I'm alarmed, that's for sure. But it's not about climate change, weather, or global warming.

This thread is a horrifying example of what happens when you mix politics, science, and emotion. Stunning, actually.

I knew the disconnect of the masses from science was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BeerGeek40 View Post
I'll ask you the same question I asked Heyschos yesterday.


What are we going to do about it?
* Ban cars?
* Ban airline travel (except for the elites of course)
* Ban manufacturing?
* Ban air conditioners?
* Force EVERYONE to buy solar panels?
Doing something is better than doing nothing. Incrementally more stringent regulation on all those have reduced their pollution output. You go to an extreme when we have been on this incremental path for 55 years.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:42 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I'm alarmed, that's for sure. But it's not about climate change, weather, or global warming.

This thread is a horrifying example of what happens when you mix politics and science. Stunning, actually.

I knew the disconnect of the masses from science was bad, but I didn't know it was this bad.
What does it matter in the end? What are people supposed to do even knowing that global warming is real?

Name something practical and likely to happen.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: In the bee-loud glade
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Just in general, there's climate, and then there's weather. I don't know what's so hard to understand. Either people are stupid, deluded, or pathologically unwilling to educate themselves. Maybe they want their Las Vegas property to be beach front for their grand children?

Sometimes I wonder how we progressed so far to be able to ruin our planet
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