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Old 01-26-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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What we are seeing is what has always been there. There are liberals as well who have this kind of thinking. We're seeing both conservatives and liberals who take up for their own. This is why there are conservatives who won't admit that Trump is corrupt and a con-man, and out for himself. There is an "us vs the rest of the world" mentality going on. Tribalism. Loyalty to tribe is trumping loyalty to country (no pun intended).
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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What about the words or actions of Trump specifically?
Trump distinguishes himself from other Presidents more in terms of what he did NOT do. It's pointless to compare moralities or personalities or actions for there, at best, you end up on a continuum.

Trump, though, Trump is lazy. Sure that's not how he packaged himself. He of the boundless energy. One cannot help but wonder how much of his prior "business experience" lay in self-promoting ... schmoozing over the business deals ... opening golf courses and the like.

This isn't the kind of background that lends itself to the Presidency. Not if you prefer your disastrous Presidential actions by immoral or sociopathic men to be taken by those who have at least read a bloody briefing book.

Previous Presidential candidates took the time to market themselves FOR the Presidency, not for a future television show. Here's a list of books written prior to running for office.

Kennedy - Profiles in Courage
Nixon - Six Crises
Carter - Why Not the Best
Reagan - Reagan speeches
George H W Bush - Looking Forward
Clinton - Putting People First
George W Bush - A Charge to Keep
Obama - Audacity of Hope

Now, sure, some of these were largely ghostwritten but the candidates at least generated ideas. Trump? Not only could Trump not write the Art of the Deal, he could not - if the author is to be believed - organize himself sufficiently to either explain a philosophy or sit still for interviews. This comports will all that is known from frustrated aides of Trump as President.

Morality is less about who you are or what you accomplish but more about how you try. Here, Trump appears to be a class by himself.

My first take on him was not positive. Early WH gossip on his incompetencies intrigued. So I started a thread not long after he assumed the Presidency where supporters pounced, incredulous over allegations that Trump did not, for example, understand insurance risk pools.

Two years later, few would try to defend him on any comparable thread. Most who participated in that thread are now silent.

So yes, a know-nothing running for President is a con man.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Talking Why Can't Conservatives Admit that the Trump is a Corrupt Con Man?

Because to do that, they'd have to admit to themselves that they were the marks.

Full explanation here.

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Old 01-26-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: California
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Why Can't Conservatives Admit that the Trump is a Corrupt Con Man?

To do so would imply that they themselves have been conned. Pride will not allow it, so they must construct an alternate reality with alternative facts that hold their sense of self-worth and honor intact.

Classic cognitive dissonance.
This.

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Sadly I think most of them do realise he is a corrupt con man.
The sad truth of the matter is, they don't care. #MAGA.
This too.

How anyone could support Trump at this point is just beyond comprehension to me.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:26 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Trump distinguishes himself from other Presidents more in terms of what he did NOT do. It's pointless to compare moralities or personalities or actions for there, at best, you end up on a continuum.

Trump, though, Trump is lazy. Sure that's not how he packaged himself. He of the boundless energy. One cannot help but wonder how much of his prior "business experience" lay in self-promoting ... schmoozing over the business deals ... opening golf courses and the like.

This isn't the kind of background that lends itself to the Presidency. Not if you prefer your disastrous Presidential actions by immoral or sociopathic men to be taken by those who have at least read a bloody briefing book.

Previous Presidential candidates took the time to market themselves FOR the Presidency, not for a future television show. Here's a list of books written prior to running for office.

Kennedy - Profiles in Courage
Nixon - Six Crises
Carter - Why Not the Best
Reagan - Reagan speeches
George H W Bush - Looking Forward
Clinton - Putting People First
George W Bush - A Charge to Keep
Obama - Audacity of Hope

Now, sure, some of these were largely ghostwritten but the candidates at least generated ideas. Trump? Not only could Trump not write the Art of the Deal, he could not - if the author is to be believed - organize himself sufficiently to either explain a philosophy or sit still for interviews. This comports will all that is known from frustrated aides of Trump as President.

Morality is less about who you are or what you accomplish but more about how you try. Here, Trump appears to be a class by himself.

My first take on him was not positive. Early WH gossip on his incompetencies intrigued. So I started a thread not long after he assumed the Presidency where supporters pounced, incredulous over allegations that Trump did not, for example, understand insurance risk pools.

Two years later, few would try to defend him on any comparable thread. Most who participated in that thread are now silent.

So yes, a know-nothing running for President is a con man.
What does writing a book have to do with being elected President? It seems like Trump's book didn't hurt his marketing since he beat his opponent handily. If he is lazy what would you call Hillary Clinton who couldn't be bothered to visit the states that ultimately handed Trump his victory?
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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4 people sentenced to prison
7 guilty pleas
37 people and entities charged
199 criminal counts


When a large chunk of Trump's inner circle is in jail, served time or has been indicted, isn't that an obvious factual clue that the entire Trump White House is crooked, corrupt and criminal, including the president himself?

What's it going to take for conservatives to finally admit that Trump is a corrupt con man and Republicans should no longer support him?
Virtually everyone was framed by Mueller and his Demonic Rat team of butthurt 2016 election losers...it's clear as can be that breathing is a Felony if you were on the Trump team that won the 2016 election over the strong objections of the Establishment.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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This too.

How anyone could support Trump at this point is just beyond comprehension to me.
But you never could comprehend supporting Trump, you hated him before he was elected did you not? It's not like anything changed for you, you're just acting surprised that people don't agree with your opinions.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:34 PM
 
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What does writing a book have to do with being elected President? It seems like Trump's book didn't hurt his marketing since he beat his opponent handily. If he is lazy what would you call Hillary Clinton who couldn't be bothered to visit the states that ultimately handed Trump his victory?
That book used to be considered de rigueur for a candidate to demonstrate gravitas. That's why there were so many of them. Get your world tour in if inexperienced globally and write that book. Now sure, Trump was an unorthodox candidate.

The larger point is that the process of writing a book requires some ability to focus on content. Not only poll numbers. And that Trump really is lazy. That might not be a problem if he had a strong staff. But we know what's happened there ...

As for Clinton, no one would ever call her lazy. Not visiting a state in the heat of the election was a political mistake. A tactical error. Not the same thing at all.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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It was either him or Hillary and he was the lesser of two evils.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:40 PM
 
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That book used to be considered de rigueur for a candidate to demonstrate gravitas and world knowledge. Sure, Trump was an unorthodox candidate.

The larger point is that the process of writing a book requires some ability to focus on content. Not only poll numbers.
If books demonstrated gravitas why didn't all those Presidents before Trump solve the massive issues that we're still dealing with in this nation? Obama wrote a book yet his healthcare solution was a massive failure that has cost Americans more than we can even comprehend, he also killed quite a few innocent people with drones while his supporters cheered. GWB wrote a book and started wars that cost this nation thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, wars we're still dealing with today Clinton wrote a book and ended up impeached for perjury then he bombed innocent people to deflect from his screw-ups. Is that what you mean by gravitas? Nixon wrote a book... do we need to go over that one?
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