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Old 01-26-2019, 03:01 PM
 
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Why even reply if you aren't going to answer the question? If people are slow for not agreeing with your opinions then your opinions should be pretty simple to list or explain. Please list the examples you spoke about, I'd love to discuss them with you.
Wow.

You have issues. In the message quoted, I answered your question. Please go back and read it again if you are really that confused.
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:03 PM
 
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As a Trump supporter, I just don't see it. Just on GP, I personally think that if the IRS or FBI were sicced on anyone in politics--they'd find something wrong with someone and/or anyone linked to it, especially if its as little as a process crime. A billionaire, with business ventures world wide, stretching back 40 years is bound to turn up with something, no matter how small. JMPO


What democrats have turned up is essentially little to nothing--people with unpaid taxes, and lying about not talking to certain people prior to the election or "failing to register as a foreign agent" 10-15 years ago. I need something concrete.
1. He is most likely NOT a billionaire, but even if he was, he did NOT do it himself. He got his money from his dad. He actually was being paid millions by his dad at 8 years old. What can an 8 year old do to earn that kind of money?

2. Many of his business ventures failed (bankruptcy, anyone). He has had 6 bankruptcies. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy within weeks of its filing but was later closed. His Castle Hotel remains in operation under a different name, The Golden Nugget, and bondholders own 1/2 of it. Trump Plaza closed in September 2014, putting more than 1,000 people out of work. The Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan remains in operation, but most of it is no longer owned by Trump. Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, a holding company for Trump's three casinos, entered Chapter 11 in November 2004 as part of a deal with bondholders to restructure $1.8 billion of debt. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy less than a year later, in May 2005, with a new name: Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. and again he gave up half his ownership of the resort. Trump Entertainment Resorts, the casino holding company, entered Chapter 11 in February 2009. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy in February 2016 and became a subsidiary of investor Carl Icahn's Icahn Enterprises. Icahn took over the Taj Mahal then sold it in 2017 to Hard Rock International, which said it was planning to renovate, rebrand, and reopen the property in 2018.

3. He doesn't pay his bills or his debts. He got a tax break for stiffing his contractors. Trump was able to use more than $900 million in paper losses to reduce his taxable income via a loophole in the code that allowed losses of private businesses registered as S-Corporations to flow to their owners, even when they didn’t put an of their own cash into the companies, which is where the name double dip comes from.

4. Trump has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits by some estimations and others report even more than that number, up to 4,000.

5. Trump's personal driver has sued him for not paying him his contracted overtime. Edward Friel, Jr. owned a cabinet business and Trump refused to pay him his final installment. He ended up having to file bankruptcy due to this nonpayment. A paint seller, Juan Enriquez, also never got his final payment for his paint shipment and a judge ruled for him in court. Larry Walters who sold curtains to Trump ended up having to settle for less than he was owed and ended up closing his business. Forest Jenkins, a toilet maker, was nearly ruined because Trump didn't pay when he went bankrupt.

6. Trump won't hire US citizens at Mar-a-lago. He prefers to use H2B visa workers. Only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest.

This is not the way most American businessmen do business, even other real estate men.
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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Wow.

You have issues. In the message quoted, I answered your question. Please go back and read it again if you are really that confused.
I don't have issues, I just don't put up with ignorant people making stupid claims like you did earlier. I know you're a leftist so you're used to beta men letting you say whatever you want without push back but that ain't me. I don't play those games.

I asked for specific crimes of Trump and all you did was point back to the OP which doesn't list anything that President Trump did. Now you're acting like you answered my question but of course you haven't. Now can you give some examples of crimes of the President?
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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I don't have issues, I just don't put up with ignorant people making stupid claims like you did earlier. I know you're a leftist so you're used to beta men letting you say whatever you want without push back but that ain't me. I don't play those games.

I asked for specific crimes of Trump and all you did was point back to the OP which doesn't list anything that President Trump did. Now you're acting like you answered my question but of course you haven't. Now can you give some examples of crimes of the President?
Trump has a history of ripping folks off and stiffing them for services rendered. He also has a history of money laundering. We will not even touch on the obvious that is about to emerge but why are you denying that he is a dyed-in-the wool racketeer and corrupt individual? Weird.

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Old 01-26-2019, 03:12 PM
 
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I see Laureate is still in business.

Are you claiming that the company was a fake? Is there a scandal associated with this company? Please explain, thanks.
By your definition Trump U wasn't a "fake" either. THey both existed with formidable business models and both were sued for fraud in class action suits.

But why so defensive?


Please answer the question....were you "outraged" when you found out about Bill Clinton's involvement with them? OR does he get a pass for being a Democrat?
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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1. He is most likely NOT a billionaire, but even if he was, he did NOT do it himself. He got his money from his dad. He actually was being paid millions by his dad at 8 years old. What can an 8 year old do to earn that kind of money?
Most likely?

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2. Many of his business ventures failed (bankruptcy, anyone). He has had 6 bankruptcies. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy within weeks of its filing but was later closed. His Castle Hotel remains in operation under a different name, The Golden Nugget, and bondholders own 1/2 of it. Trump Plaza closed in September 2014, putting more than 1,000 people out of work. The Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan remains in operation, but most of it is no longer owned by Trump. Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, a holding company for Trump's three casinos, entered Chapter 11 in November 2004 as part of a deal with bondholders to restructure $1.8 billion of debt. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy less than a year later, in May 2005, with a new name: Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. and again he gave up half his ownership of the resort. Trump Entertainment Resorts, the casino holding company, entered Chapter 11 in February 2009. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy in February 2016 and became a subsidiary of investor Carl Icahn's Icahn Enterprises. Icahn took over the Taj Mahal then sold it in 2017 to Hard Rock International, which said it was planning to renovate, rebrand, and reopen the property in 2018.
Donald Trump has never filed bankruptcy, a few of the businesses that he's purchased or started have but he's never had a bankruptcy, certainly not 6. Based on the number of businesses he's owned, having a few fail is nothing, half of all new businesses in this country fail.

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3. He doesn't pay his bills or his debts. He got a tax break for stiffing his contractors. Trump was able to use more than $900 million in paper losses to reduce his taxable income via a loophole in the code that allowed losses of private businesses registered as S-Corporations to flow to their owners, even when they didn’t put an of their own cash into the companies, which is where the name double dip comes from.
Of the thousands of companies and vendors that have done work for his businesses a few of them have complained, He's never been really accused of not paying his taxes and last time a liberal made that claim they proved that he paid millions in taxes.

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4. Trump has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits by some estimations and others report even more than that number, up to 4,000.
And? I've been sued 8 times in my life related to business deals or investments and I've never once lost a dollar because of it. If you're involved in business at the level that Trump is you're gonna get sued, without question.

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5. Trump's personal driver has sued him for not paying him his contracted overtime. Edward Friel, Jr. owned a cabinet business and Trump refused to pay him his final installment. He ended up having to file bankruptcy due to this nonpayment. A paint seller, Juan Enriquez, also never got his final payment for his paint shipment and a judge ruled for him in court. Larry Walters who sold curtains to Trump ended up having to settle for less than he was owed and ended up closing his business. Forest Jenkins, a toilet maker, was nearly ruined because Trump didn't pay when he went bankrupt.
And how did those lawsuits end up?

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6. Trump won't hire US citizens at Mar-a-lago. He prefers to use H2B visa workers. Only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest.

This is not the way most American businessmen do business, even other real estate men.
There are tons of American citizens working at Mar-a-lago.
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:18 PM
 
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Trump has a history of ripping folks off and stiffing them for services rendered. He also has a history of money laundering. We will not even touch on the obvious that is about to emerge but why are you denying the he is a dyed-in-the wool racketeer and corrupt individual? Weird.
A history of money laundering? When does that trial begin? You've been crying about what's about to emerge for 2 years now, you might want to come up with a new story.
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Old 01-26-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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1. He is most likely NOT a billionaire, but even if he was, he did NOT do it himself. He got his money from his dad. He actually was being paid millions by his dad at 8 years old. What can an 8 year old do to earn that kind of money?

2. Many of his business ventures failed (bankruptcy, anyone). He has had 6 bankruptcies. The Taj Mahal emerged from bankruptcy within weeks of its filing but was later closed. His Castle Hotel remains in operation under a different name, The Golden Nugget, and bondholders own 1/2 of it. Trump Plaza closed in September 2014, putting more than 1,000 people out of work. The Trump Plaza Hotel in Manhattan remains in operation, but most of it is no longer owned by Trump. Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, a holding company for Trump's three casinos, entered Chapter 11 in November 2004 as part of a deal with bondholders to restructure $1.8 billion of debt. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy less than a year later, in May 2005, with a new name: Trump Entertainment Resorts Inc. and again he gave up half his ownership of the resort. Trump Entertainment Resorts, the casino holding company, entered Chapter 11 in February 2009. The holding company emerged from bankruptcy in February 2016 and became a subsidiary of investor Carl Icahn's Icahn Enterprises. Icahn took over the Taj Mahal then sold it in 2017 to Hard Rock International, which said it was planning to renovate, rebrand, and reopen the property in 2018.

3. He doesn't pay his bills or his debts. He got a tax break for stiffing his contractors. Trump was able to use more than $900 million in paper losses to reduce his taxable income via a loophole in the code that allowed losses of private businesses registered as S-Corporations to flow to their owners, even when they didn’t put an of their own cash into the companies, which is where the name double dip comes from.

4. Trump has been involved in more than 3,500 lawsuits by some estimations and others report even more than that number, up to 4,000.

5. Trump's personal driver has sued him for not paying him his contracted overtime. Edward Friel, Jr. owned a cabinet business and Trump refused to pay him his final installment. He ended up having to file bankruptcy due to this nonpayment. A paint seller, Juan Enriquez, also never got his final payment for his paint shipment and a judge ruled for him in court. Larry Walters who sold curtains to Trump ended up having to settle for less than he was owed and ended up closing his business. Forest Jenkins, a toilet maker, was nearly ruined because Trump didn't pay when he went bankrupt.

6. Trump won't hire US citizens at Mar-a-lago. He prefers to use H2B visa workers. Only one out of 144 jobs went to a US worker from 2016 to the end of 2017. Foreign guest workers with H-2B visas got the rest.

This is not the way most American businessmen do business, even other real estate men.
Sorry you wasted your time...this just comes off as cut and paste tabliod here say.

Personally I think it's this kind of Michael Moore documentary styled, loosely interpreted, smear campaign "rumored" type of drummed up anger that's advertised fueled by Dems that causes some to have a deaf ear to some folks.

if you have an issue with his not agreeing with TPP, or the Paris Agreement,; his positions on NATO, NAFTA, tariffs with China, the Iran Nuclear deal or whatever, I'm all ears. If you think that there's a candidate that can make better sense of it and state their positions on it..then I'm all ears


But the "in 1999 he didn't tip the doorman one evening" sort of nonsense, just isn't "con manish" imo. I

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Old 01-26-2019, 03:21 PM
 
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By your definition Trump U wasn't a "fake" either. THey both existed with formidable business models and both were sued for fraud in class action suits.

But why so defensive?


Please answer the question....were you "outraged" when you found out about Bill Clinton's involvement with them? OR does he get a pass for being a Democrat?
Did Hillary Clinton launder millions of dollars while she was secretary of state?

"As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."

Donald Trump on Tuesday, June 21st, 2016 in an email

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...dollars-while/

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Old 01-26-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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Sorry you wasted your time...this just comes off as cut and paste tabliod here say.



^^ Personally I think it's this kind of Michael Moore documentary styled, loosely interpreted, smear campaign "rumored" type of anger that's advertised by Dems that causes some to have a deaf ear to some folks.

Which part of it is untrue?
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