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Old 01-28-2019, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Well,right wings news should get their stories right. The murals will be covered by woven material, not destroyed. Panic off.
Woven material is the miracle textile. It can be used to cover over history without actually destroying it, thereby not really covering over history but merely woven textiling it.
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Bronx
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I heard this on "right wing" news several times. The story is that Christopher Columbus was apparently too much to take for the Notre Dame cupcakes so their president ordered his murals be plastered over. This is got to be straight out of the Middle Ages. Ottomans did that in Hagia Sophia to cover symbols of Christianity.

"The bells, altar, iconostasis, and other relics were destroyed and the mosaics depicting Jesus, his Mother Mary, Christian saints, and angels were also destroyed or plastered over."
Iconoclasms is nothing new. Even in the Greek Othrodox church during the 800AD, the Byzantine Emperor ordered all religious paintings to be plastered over or destroyed. In recent times regimes like the Nazis and the Soviets had public book burnings. Censorship of ideas via books and imagery is also part of iconoclasm.

In this country we are going through period of iconoclasms. Iconoclasms is a term which any forms of imagery represents a danger to one group of people or entity due to the fact that imagery is veneration. A good example is the events in Charlottesville Virginia where in 2017 BLM and Antifia fought white nationalist over Robert E Lee statue at UVA. The fighting resulted in the death of Heather Hayer, and thus a national conversation was sparked about Confederate statues and how dangerous the statues where due to white nationalist and white supremacist fighting over the statues. The left believes the statues represent White Supremacy and must be taken down. Here in America, any imagery or sign that represents white supremacy such as Christopher Columbus or Robert E Lee, such imagery will either be destroyed, defaced, graffied, or would demand the public or institution to remove such imagery. What happened with Notre Dame might just be a knee jerk reaction and decided to cover up the Columbus Murals. I know that the Catholic Church is for open borders, pro illegal immigration, however the Catholic Church is also for pro colonialism which it brought in members to the church via missionaries. As for me. I don't think the paintings should have been plastered over. Notre Dame could have moved the paintings to a museum or sold the painting to an bidder and use the proceeds to fight for Catholic Social Justice.
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:52 AM
 
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Frankly, I find it disturbing to cover up such a mural. That's hiding history, not addressing it.

For example, one of the core points of "white privledge" is that IN GENERAL whites grew up better off than minorities because IN GENERAL your parents, grandparents etc. operated in an environment that allowed them to do better than the predecessors of minorities.

Wouldn't it be a wiser more educational course of action to instead of covering up the mural, to include artworks depicting slavery, share cropping, segregation and so forth?

Again, and I can't stress this enough, the ONLY reason the University did this is because they're afraid it could somehow hurt their predominantly black football and mens basketball programs. (This is what pushed U of Missouri over the cliff during their BLM protests a while back) Some may view this as a good thing, sports has after all influenced societal change thru history....but regardless, let's call it what it is.
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Iconoclasms is nothing new. Even in the Greek Othrodox church during the 800AD, the Byzantine Emperor ordered all religious paintings to be plastered over or destroyed. In recent times regimes like the Nazis and the Soviets had public book burnings. Censorship of ideas via books and imagery is also part of iconoclasm.

In this country we are going through period of iconoclasms.
100% Agree.

It's not just statues and murals but books and other things too.

Can't have the musical Oklahoma because it has guns in it.
Can't have Tom Sawyer books in the libary, it has the N-word in it.
etc. etc. etc.

Culture Nazis are anti-education, anti-history and opposed to diversity they don't deem to be *correct*.
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