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Old 02-01-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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The "wall" sections that were approved back in 2006 (and amended in 2007) are 95%+ built, IIRC. *Some* areas benefiting from "walls" is not equivalent to all/other areas necessarily benefiting from it. Please don't conflate the two.





Cool. It should be easy to produce data showing exactly that, then. Right?






Most drugs come through legal ports of entry. There are more terror suspects coming across the northern border than the southern. There are very real questions about whether "illegals" commit crime at a higher rate than the "average Joe" citizen.


Again, it's not exactly about the price tag or total, per se, it's about whether a "wall" is the most efficient use of that money to reduce the flow of illegals, drugs, etc.

Nope, only 30 miles of the good walls were built the rest is breachable fencing and that was a mistake that Trump wants to correct. Just as long as there are still drugs and people trafficking not coming through our legal ports of entry then there is a need for good physical barriers. Please provide a viable link proving that there are more terror suspects coming across our northern border than our southern one. Most illegals regardless of their purpose are coming through our southern border not our northern one.


What difference does it make if there are more crimes committed by citizens than illegal aliens percentage wise to their population numbers? Is that somehow justification to not oppose their illegal presence here sucking up jobs, taxes and resources from Americans? Many if not most commit felony ID theft or tax evasion to work here.


https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


https://www.dhs.gov/news/2018/12/12/walls-work


https://www.investors.com/politics/e...mplementation/


https://www.npr.org/templates/story/...toryId=5323928


https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/we-alr...-and-it-works/


Where U.S.-Mexico border fence is tall, it works
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The priority should be protecting our borders from those entering that we know nothing about and have no record of them. They are much more dangerous than visa over stayers. But again, we need to deal with both problems. There is no better way to deter illegal entry than good physical barriers just ask the Border Patrol and Homeland Security (links provided).


According to whom?


I would venture to guess that systemic protections against hiring/employing illegal immigrants - thus eliminating their chances for revenue generation here, would be more effective than any physical barrier.
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Irregardless there are still 18,000 illegals jumper our border every month. Are we to just ignore that?
Still waiting for a source for that number.
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:18 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Nope, only 30 miles of the good walls were built the rest is breachable fencing and that was a mistake that Trump wants to correct. Just as long as there are still drugs and people trafficking not coming through our legal ports of entry then there is a need for good physical barriers.

That was what was voted on and approved. Period. The fact that you don't think it's "good enough" is irrelevant.




Please provide a viable link proving that there are more terror suspects coming across our northern border than our southern one. Most illegals regardless of their purpose are coming through our southern border not our northern one.[/quote]


...Overall, 41 people on the Terrorist Screening Database were encountered at the southern border from Oct. 1, 2017, to March 31, 2018, but 35 of them were U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents. Six were classified as non-U.S. persons.
On the northern border, CBP stopped 91 people listed in the database, including 41 who were not American citizens or residents...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/imm...-first-n955861


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What difference does it make if there are more crimes committed by citizens than illegal aliens percentage wise to their population numbers? Is that somehow justification to not oppose their illegal presence here sucking up jobs, taxes and resources from Americans?

No, the fact that they are here illegally is, in itself, reason to oppose their being here. However, if they are, on average, less prone to crime than the average US citizen, then their crime rate is not relevant to why we should protect against them.




And a wall is almost certainly NOT the most efficient way to use .gov funding to reduce/stop that. That is, literally, the entire point I've been making.
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Old 02-01-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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According to whom?


I would venture to guess that systemic protections against hiring/employing illegal immigrants - thus eliminating their chances for revenue generation here, would be more effective than any physical barrier.
3 of those who hijacked planes on 9-11 had overstayed their visa's.
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