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Old 01-31-2019, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Likewise:

St. Louis City, MO: 23.9% on food stamps https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Missouri/Food-Stamps
15.9% voted for Trump. https://www.politico.com/2016-electi...dent/missouri/

Wayne County, MI: 25.7% on food stamps https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Michigan/Food-Stamps
29.5% votes for Trump. https://www.politico.com/2016-electi...dent/michigan/

Certainty you don’t believe large numbers of Republicans are on public assistance? We’re all rich and greedy and poor at the same time?
If you read the stats, red states have a disproportional number of residents on some form of public assistance AND they are more likely voting Republican than Democrat.

Not sure why are attempting to refute statistical evidence, but you are entitled to your opinion.

But you're not entitled to your own facts.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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Likewise:

St. Louis City, MO: 23.9% on food stamps https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Missouri/Food-Stamps
15.9% voted for Trump. https://www.politico.com/2016-electi...dent/missouri/

Wayne County, MI: 25.7% on food stamps https://statisticalatlas.com/state/Michigan/Food-Stamps
29.5% votes for Trump. https://www.politico.com/2016-electi...dent/michigan/

Certainty you don’t believe large numbers of Republicans are on public assistance? We’re all rich and greedy and poor at the same time?
So far, I've seen plenty of data showing that Republican-leaning states are the largest recipients of public assistance and no data supporting the premise that the minority Democrats within those Republican-leaning states make up an outsized percentage of the recipients of public assistance.

You have presented nothing other than rank speculation that supports your original claim that "those on welfare are apolitical liberals" and that "the myth that Republicans are on welfare is one perpetuated by the so called main stream media." Heck, you didn't even use the term "so-called" correctly.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:28 PM
 
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Where Government Is a Dirty Word, but Its Checks Pay the Bills

Harlan County, KY

Harlan County is the nation’s fifth most dependent on federal programs, according to the government’s Bureau of Economic Analysis. In 2016 some 54 percent of the income of the county’s roughly 26,000 residents came from programs like Social Security and Medicaid, food stamps — formally known as SNAP, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — and the earned-income tax credit. That is up from 28 percent in 1990.

These Kentucky voters loathe federal government and taxes, but still rely on federal assistance

Harlan County, KY

“Of the 10 states in which government transfers account for the largest share of income, seven voted for Mr. Trump. Speaking to the economic and social anxieties of blue-collar white voters over immigration, trade and demographic change, Mr. Trump has championed tax cuts for the well-to-do paired with benefit cuts for the struggling voters in his base,”

"I'm from the government and I'm here to help". Terrifying words indeed.

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And, for every county like that, there are countless counties such as ours where 10% of people are on Food Stamps, yet 67% of people voted for Trump.

We can look at these statistics every which way, up and down, day and night and can glean what we want from them. The fact is that in these so called Red States, most people on assistance are members of the underclass and they are either apolitical or Democrat leaning. To assert that these statistics show that large numbers of Republicans are on welfare is a fallacy.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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And, for every county like that, there are countless counties such as ours where 10% of people are on Food Stamps, yet 67% of people voted for Trump.

We can look at these statistics every which way, up and down, day and night and can glean what we want from them. The fact is that in these so called Red States, most people on assistance are members of the underclass and they are either apolitical or Democrat leaning. To assert that these statistics show that large numbers of Republicans are on welfare is a fallacy.
Again, you have not provided an iota of data that supports this premise. You can angrily shake your fist at the sky all you want, but it will not change that fact.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Florida
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/31/polit...ill/index.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0ca92c6dd453b

Seems the Republicans have forgotten voting is about democracy, not politics.
Cannot believe he's so blatant about his desire to not allow more people to vote. Shouldn't patriotic Americans want everyone to vote?

Mitch and the GOP don't want that as they might lose.

These guy are so busy worrying about democracy in Venezuela, yet they aren't very interested in practicing it here.

Guess we don't have enough oil to make it worth fighting for democracy here.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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Again, you have not provided an iota of data that supports this premise. You can angrily shake your fist at the sky all you want, but it will not change that fact.
I provided the same bits of info that were provided. Both sets prove nothing, as they're three counties and one independent city out of thousands in the country. This is the perfect example of the old adage that there are three types of lies as related to statistics - I'm going to assume you're aware of it, so I'm not going to type it out.

There may be some Republicans on welfare, but the numbers are very low and much lower than the number of welfare recipients who are Democrats. However, the vast majority of those on public assistance are apolitical, yet Democrat leaning.

The failure to understand the social fabric of the south is one of the issues here - those Republican states have large numbers of poor and blacks, who are Democrats (not Republicans), most of whom do not vote, but many of whom receive benefits.

Now, as I stated earlier, we can question and discuss why there are large numbers of poor, but that's a different discussion.

The discussion at hand revolves around the assertion that because a)the south is red and b)there are a lot of welfare recipients. therefore c)most red voters must be on welfare. That is a logical fallacy, as I'm sure you can see.

Oregon is the number one state for welfare, yet is reliably blue, so what is the explanation there? Along with the previous mentioned California?
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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Cannot believe he's so blatant about his desire to not allow more people to vote. Shouldn't patriotic Americans want everyone to vote?

Mitch and the GOP don't want that as they might lose.

These guy are so busy worrying about democracy in Venezuela, yet they aren't very interested in practicing it here.

Guess we don't have enough oil to make it worth fighting for democracy here.
Yes. We do tho. So he and his filthy 42 can go.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:48 PM
 
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I provided the same bits of info that were provided. Both sets prove nothing, as they're three counties and one independent city out of thousands in the country. This is the perfect example of the old adage that there are three types of lies as related to statistics - I'm going to assume you're aware of it, so I'm not going to type it out.

There may be some Republicans on welfare, but the numbers are very low and much lower than the number of welfare recipients who are Democrats. However, the vast majority of those on public assistance are apolitical, yet Democrat leaning.

The failure to understand the social fabric of the south is one of the issues here - those Republican states have large numbers of poor and blacks, who are Democrats (not Republicans), most of whom do not vote, but many of whom receive benefits.

Now, as I stated earlier, we can question and discuss why there are large numbers of poor, but that's a different discussion.

The discussion at hand revolves around the assertion that because a)the south is red and b)there are a lot of welfare recipients. therefore c)most red voters must be on welfare. That is a logical fallacy, as I'm sure you can see.

Oregon is the number one state for welfare, yet is reliably blue, so what is the explanation there? Along with the previous mentioned California?
Actually, you were the one who argued that the overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are Democrats. The data suggests that the opposite is true. There is no statistical support for your original claim.

The rural poor are the largest recipients of government assistance and majority of the rural poor are Republicans by a fairly wide margin. Is it possible that most or all of the rural poor that receive government assistance are the small number of Democrats within that population? Sure. But I see no statistical reason to draw such a conclusion.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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Cannot believe he's so blatant about his desire to not allow more people to vote. Shouldn't patriotic Americans want everyone to vote?

Mitch and the GOP don't want that as they might lose.

These guy are so busy worrying about democracy in Venezuela, yet they aren't very interested in practicing it here.

Guess we don't have enough oil to make it worth fighting for democracy here.
Dead on. Can't believe they are stupid enough to come right out and blatantly oppose this.

Maybe it's a good thing in the end, the citizens of this country are getting it pushed right in their face, that Republicans don't represent their interests.

This proposal is a no-brainer. That is if you really care about enabling the democratic process here in the USA.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:50 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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To paraphrase;

"Oh, you mean that thing you just decided to do, like, just now and are now judging Republicans for not doing it before or now?"


I don't see anyone judging the GOP for not doing it before, because that would apply equally - as you pointed out - to Dems.


However, why would it be unfair to judge the GOP for their current opposition?
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