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Old 02-01-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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Mussolini advocated for continuous war, this is very much one of the philosophical aspects of fascism. Of course, since you just skimmed this topic for 5 minutes, you probably missed that. But it's very much the central tenant of fascism. It was not just a consequence.
Not in his definition of fascism. Period.

 
Old 02-01-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Not in his definition of fascism. Period.
Yes, in his definition.

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Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism – born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Yes, in his definition.
No. Rejecting pacifism (aka letting others roll you, at will) is not necessarily militaristic or war-mongering. It's about asserting and maintaining self-governance.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Please re-read all the posts in this thread, or watch the video if you have 45 or so minutes to spare. In market capitalism, workers are allowed to strike. In fascism and communism, that's forbidden. That's the difference.
Why are you denying that there are many mutations of socialism?

Nazism, fascism, democratic socialism are all different mutations from the same evil gene rooted in the two darkest human traits: jealousy of other people’s wealth and willingness to commit violence to obtain such wealth.

At the end of day, they are all statism aimed to enslave people in the name of the state or the collective.

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Old 02-01-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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No. Rejecting pacifism (aka letting others roll you, at will) is not necessarily militaristic or war-mongering. It's about asserting and maintaining self-governance.
False. Please stop talking about a subject you have no understanding of.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 09:25 AM
 
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They certainly had more in common with the democrats than they did the republicans. Government centralization, socialized healthcare, anti-private gun ownership, etc. One of the problems with government centralization and a powerful state is that it could lead to genocide. For example, the idea of white privilege and the need for the state to do something about it sounds a lot like what the Nazis said about the Jews. This idea is a mainstream democrat idea.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 09:54 AM
 
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>>> Plus the Nazis wanted private gun ownership banned...
Nope.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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They certainly had more in common with the democrats than they did the republicans. Government centralization, socialized healthcare, anti-private gun ownership, etc.
The Nazis, inasmuch as they cared at all, eased the laws on private gun ownership. (1938, look it up.) As for universal healthcare, that was established in Germany the rassum frassum 19th century by none other than Bismarck. Feel free to call him left-wing, just be prepared for people to point and laugh.

The Nazis actually did and said specific things, people. Using them as a convenient generic evil to smear whichever societal trend you disapprove of makes it hard to take you seriously.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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No. Rejecting pacifism (aka letting others roll you, at will) is not necessarily militaristic or war-mongering. It's about asserting and maintaining self-governance.

Originally Posted by Benito Mussolini
Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism – born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it.

Thanks to NomadicDrifter for posting this.
 
Old 02-01-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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Why do Team Red and Team Blue argue over this kind of stuff?

You're both authoritarian statists who have caused the suffering and death of hundreds of millions throughout history.

Quit bossing people around at gunpoint. Wouldn't that just be easier?
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